do these folks follow me to the range?

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Back in May, I had a run in with a RO at a local indoor range who decided to lecture me on the legal issued involving me removing the magazine disconnect on my HP and then proceeded to drop the slide and dry fire my pistol.

Today, I went to the Angeles rifle range to fire my Marlin .45LC after I put in a new one piece firing pin and new springs. Wow is the action slick now! Completely different rifle.

Anyway, a half hour into a fun morning clanging steel plates at 35 and 60 yards, I start getting pelted with steel .45ACP cases. On my left is a group of four shooting at the plates. One has a .44 Redhawk and he's playing Dirty Harry without much success. The second is shooting what appeared to be a .25 Jennings. The third had a .22 AK replica. The forth an Auto Ordenance Thompson. They were together. All shooting at the 35 yard plates. All four seemed to have decent safety. No muzzles flying around. Seemed relatively safe compared to some winners I've seen.

The Jennings kept hanging up and FTE. At times, he pounded the pistol on the bench to clear it. The Red Hawk was a cannon, but mostly he kicked up dirt. The AK chugged away. The Thompson was throwing brass a good 15 feet directly to the right. Straight down the bench. I asked the RO's if they had a barrier to put up. No dice on the steel plate range. Oh well. I'll ignore them. Soon I'm standing in a pile of this guys casings and I've got half a dozen cases down my shirt.

Then I start noticing the gun is doubling and trippling. Huh? I watch him shoot. He's not doing it on purpose. The sear is obviously not operating properly. Then I notice they are popping out a small pile of live ammo with very light hammer strikes. Not into the alibi can, but right onto the shooting table.

The RO's come over. Good. They'll take care of this. Nope. "Cool" says one. It's like full auto. "Don't worry" said his partner as he dumped the live ammo into the waste bucket full of spent brass.

I finish my box of shells, pack up, and go home.

I don't know, but I just don't think I agree with shooting two obviously non functioning firearms at a very busy and crowded range. I know I don't have much respect for the RO's I saw. Or am I over reacting?

I'm beginning to think I'm being stalked by morons.
 
I'm beginning to think I'm being stalked by morons.

Yep..........you're being stalked by morons.

Seriously tho..........hope your next trip to the range will be a better one.
 
Most gun " accidents "are caused stupidity , though I don't know why those types are stalking you .It is the responsibility of the RO to see that the range is operated in a very safe manner. A malfunctioning gun should be immediately removed from the range.
 
I have no research to prove this however as our population increases
the growing number of idiots seems to double and sad but they can be found on the highway, local stores, and there is no place to hide.:D
 
If you can

I would be finding another place to shoot. Here we have only one indoor range and it's really safe. To the point of not allowing the targets to be closer then 25 yards from shooters. Anyway it's safe.
 
I have no research to prove this however as our population increases
the growing number of idiots seems to double and sad but they can be found on the highway, local stores, and there is no place to hide.
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The strange thing is that even with the Darwin award stories of morons managing to kill themselves before they contribute to the gene pool, it seems that there are more and more of them every time you look.

Its as if its the dominant gene. :D
 
flying brass

I don't mind the flying brass so much, but I don't expect it from a guy 15' away. I'm not familiar with the Thompson, but I don't know many weapons that throw brass that far. Especially not pistol caliber ones.

It was a bit disconcerting to see his buddy banging the Jennings on the table. When he cleared it the first time doing this, the RO walked up, checked that it was clear, and shrugged, "Looks OK to me."

Did get to watch a Civil War group live fire their muskets and cannon. That was pretty cool. I need to drag my musket out. It's been a while since I've fired it live.

Jeff
 
Talk about morons at the range: Yesterday, I was there with my Bushy and PT-92, loading three rounds per mag and practicing mag changes in anticipation of my first 3-gun match... (I've got a long way to go, different topic...) anyhow, here comes this family. Dad, mom, a boy and a girl that looked about 8 years old each, and an INFANT in one of those baby-carrier baskets. They had one twenty guage shotgun between the five of them, and were passing it between the parents and ~8 year old kids. NONE OF THEM wore any hearing protection. :mad:

I couldn't, in good concience, continue firing in front of kids and an infant with no hearing protection. I guess if you are an adult and don't want to use any, fine. But kids are a different story. They took it well though... the baby didn't even cry.

I'm beginning to think I've just got super-sensitive hearing or something. A single round of anything larger than .22lr will end my hearing for a while if I don't use muffs. There was another guy there who was camping locally and was standing there chatting while someone was running through cylinder after cylinder of .357mag and .44mag. He even declined to use my extra muffs. I don't see how some people do it.
 
You need to report the incident. I note that particular range attracts bad firearms, nutcase and deaf, dumb and blind ROs. A fellow CAS shooter has had troubles there. Not good. That Thompson sounds like a older AO. They experienced some problems with that. I could "dump" the magazine sometimes in mine. I returned it for repairs and sold it. It went full auto once. Surprised and pleased me at the same time!! Defective weapons should be tagged by the RO and cease firing. "cool" would not be acceptable. When a shooter is disturbed, pelted with brass or not comfortable, the RO should stop the offender. The range has the liability if you were burned by hot brass. I would complain.
 
I'm beginning to think I'm being stalked by morons.
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No, there's just a whole lot of them around.

I had the experience of one of tribe moron shoot my target...from 4 lanes to the right of me...at the NRA Headquarters indoor range in Fairfax, Va.

You'd think people would be on their best there. You'd be mostly right except for the ever present representatives of tribe moron.

My target was exactly 14 feet out in front of me, and the moron (a fat female one) had to fire at the cinderblock wall which makes up the left side of the range, at about a 50 degree angle to hit it. Real funny. :rolleyes:

The Range Safety Officer did finally come out to talk to her and her dipstick husband. I'm not sure if it was for that or the dozen or so other safety screwups they committed.
 
GunsnRovers- I can get my CZ-52 to shoot brass a good 20' or more. I've got an NRA qual coming up tommorrow and since I'm using it I'll have to ask the gent that prefers the far right lane if he'll mind switching with me for the night. I'd hate to pepper a whole line of shooters with brass. In this case a good rule to live by is "Do unto others....."


I had a really embarrassing mishap last week at the range. I was shooting a timed qual and my Ruger MKII kept jamming. I was getting mad and range discipline kinda went outta my head. The RO tapped me on the shoulder and asked me not to cover the line with my muzzle. When I got rid of my tunnel vision I realized I was in fact covering the whole left side of the line while tiring to clear my jam. I couldn't apologize enough to those people. Luckily they are pretty laid back and were understanding that we all can make mistakes under stress. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.......:mad:
 
The strange thing is that even with the Darwin award stories of morons managing to kill themselves before they contribute to the gene pool, it seems that there are more and more of them every time you look.
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Well, here's the problem.
Back in the day, people who were stupid didn't live long. Eaten by bears, trampled by bison, drowned in a flood while trying to rescue a favorite suit, etc. They would be run down by trains, starve to death trying to grow food in Death Valley, or be killed by law abiding folks who had had enough of their trespassing to steal food.

Now, we have things like welfare and food stamps, which are given out with seemingly no regard to whether a person has tried to find work or not. We coddle criminals by giving them light sentences and time off for good behavior. Of course they're being good, it's prison!!!!! Kinda hard to knock off a liquor store when you're locked up, isn't it?
To make matters worse, we get in trouble if we shoot these losers when they break into our homes!!

Anyhow, we have effectively eliminated Mother Nature's way of killing the stupid ones. Expect things to get worse.
 
Luke, I would have thought the ROs would have been all over them sooner than that. Hell, had one confront me about staging a loaded SAA on the table (safely pointed downrange) without leaving the loading gate open as a kind of manual safety. Their house, their rules, so I did it.

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If the Angeles range to which you are referring is THE Angeles range above Lake View Terrace then I am surprised. I have been there a significant amount of times and it always seemed well run and safe, one of the better managed ranges around in fact. Tell management about the way the SO dealt (or rather failed to deal with) that malfunction firearm. I am confident that they will remedy his attitude.
 
Folks, it's a very simple mathematic equation:

as population increases, the number of morons increases as a logarithmic curve. The number of folks with two brain cells to rub together, however only increases in a linear fashion.

It's obvious that as population growth accelerates, so does the mass of morons. :D
 
Idiot Breeding Theory

The following, non-scientific and totally anecdotally based theory is bound to displease someone, but here goes anyway.

I believe that we have an increasing number of fools, idiots and other two-legged vermin, owing to the following:

Idiots and others of their ilk, breed in a manner better befitting rodents. This breeding habit is of the like rodent nature, in that it is at a higher carry capacity and with greater frequency than those of more developed intelligence(this, btw, is were someone will be offended). This means that, on average, the offspring produced number in the realm of three(3) to five(5). From this, perhaps one(from the three) or two(from the four or five) will realize that their progenitors are idiots or vermin and not wish to follow that line of life. The remaining offspring will blithely go through life, using their parents as a model upon which to base their behavior.


This is how I believe we now have a situation in which those of uncommon sense(come on now, when was the last time you thought "common sense" was common anymore?) and at least average intelligence are becoming outnumbered by idiots and vermin. Thusly, my saying of 'Idiots beget idiots'....
 
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Luke, I would have thought the ROs would have been all over them sooner than that. Hell, had one confront me about staging a loaded SAA on the table (safely pointed downrange) without leaving the loading gate open as a kind of manual safety. Their house, their rules, so I did it.
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The SO's at the NRA range are in a glassed-off office where they are busy signing people in, administering the safety quiz everyone has to take before being allowed to shoot, etc. I don't think they saw what happened.
 
I don't mind the flying brass so much, but I don't expect it from a guy 15' away. I'm not familiar with the Thompson, but I don't know many weapons that throw brass that far. Especially not pistol caliber ones.
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It's not unusual for Thompsons to throw brass that far, its the nature of the beast.

And what EXACTLY is so bad about throwing bad ammo in the trash? Where do you think the empty the "alibi bucket"?
 
live ammo

And what EXACTLY is so bad about throwing bad ammo in the trash? Where do you think the empty the "alibi bucket"?
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Nothing wrong with that, except that I said they were throwing LIVE ammo in the trash. I'm willing to bet I could have taken any one of those cartridges and popped them into a functioning weapon and fired them.

As for Thompsons doing that, I will take your word for it. I don't have any experience with them. That being said, I'm of the opinion that either the shooter or the RO should have moved him to the right side of the bench so he wouldn't be pelting shooters all morning.
 
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