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1911 pistols are military pistols and, as such, Furthermore, no Models of 1911 were made after about 1923 so no 1977 or 1978 pistols can be Models of 1911. In fact, no military Model O pistols of any model were made after 1945.
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just wondering who agree's with the quoted statement and your opinion on it.
 
I disagree but was told I was wrong (on another forum, a colt forum) and I must be a young kid or someone trying to act like I knew something, I just let it go at that.
 
1911 and 1911A1 are military pistols. No 1911s were built after mid-1919 when the contract ended. It actually ended in 1918, but there were still several pistols in the pipeline that were delivered after the contract ended.

Colt pistols not destined for the US Army were known as "Government Models" and still are to this day unless a cool new marketing moniker gets thought up by the ad men.
"Combat Elite" is one.

Government Model...like Commander and Combat Commander...is a Colt trademark.
 
I guess the closest recent "true" 1911 are the 01911 and 01918 Colt WWI Repros, but I am sure someone will take exception to that. ;)
 
I did not vote because I do not care what you call them... LOL

I guess the closest recent "true" 1911 are the 01911 and 01918 Colt WWI Repros, but I am sure someone will take exception to that.
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What about the 100 year Anniversary Tier III

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Sounds like someone trying to pick a fight. I'm right and you're wrong!:neener::neener:

What about all those WWI commemoratives that were made back in the day? Weren't those 1911s? What about the WWI reissue of a coupla years ago? Was that not a 1911?:scrutiny:
 
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Sounds like someone trying to pick a fight. I'm right and you're wrong!:neener::neener:

What about all those WWI commemoratives that were made back in the day? Weren't those 1911s? What about the WWI reissue of a coupla years ago? Was that not a 1911?:scrutiny:
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nope, if I wanted to pick a fight I would named the site, gave him a link and I would have stayed there, I posted this at a neutral forum, I don't like to argue that's why when someone post something that I think is stupid I usually post my thoughts then leave it at that, seems silly to argue.
 
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There are several important differences between the 1911 and the 1911a1. Of course, there are even more differences between a 1911a1 and most of the production pistols being sold today, though we still call them all "1911's".
 
The designations Model 1911 and Model 1911 A1 are military nomenclature and really should not be applied to any pistol not made by/for the U.S. Government.

And anyone who sticks to that is fighting a losing battle. FWIW, I use the term "1911 type" to describe all the copiies, clones and miscellaneous junk that people hang the "1911" term on. I just can't bring myself to call a POS that is made from out-of-spec parts and shipped without testing, by the same name as the most reliable military pistol ever made.

Jim
 
"What about the WWI reissue of a coupla years ago? Was that not a 1911?"

Sure enough. Mine says so on the slide. :cool:

If you disagree, feel free to argue with Colt.
 
The "1911" appellation has become as generic as Kleenex or Cola. It is now used to describe a type of product, not a single name-sake pistol.

As of about 1923, the 1911A1 was adopted by the military, with modifications suggested by users during WWI. It remained as such until the guns were replaced by the M9. So, using that logic, there is no miliotary Beretta Model 92, only the M9 and M9A1. Yeah, that'll work.:banghead:
 
Honestly, the whole thing is a bit pretentious if you ask me. Things like "1911 type", "1911 style" or "1911 design" are just silly and unnecessary.
 
I don't care. So I didn't vote.

It's easiest to call 'em a 1911 so that's what I do. I really don't want to have to be specific when I'm generally just referring to 1911 type pistols.
 
To some degree what people say is what is true. It's NEW CLEAR not NUKYALUR but everyone knows what the idiots are talking about when they mispronounce nuclear. Gun parts are made of barstock, not billets, but everyone knows what the ignoramuses mean when they say a gun is "billet made". (I really hate that one since I've made tens of thousands of parts from barstock and not one from billet!)

And everyone knows what is meant by "1911 pistol", and to me, that's extremely nitpicky by comparison to "nukyalur" and "billet".
 
It seems a bit pretentious and contentious to me, and to no good purpose, since common usage applies "1911" to a particular pattern, together with its various modifications and/or improvements over time. Is a 1911A1 a 1911? Is a Series 80? Is any example not delivered to the U.S. military (even if identical) a 1911?

In all it is useless splitting of hairs. It would make nonsense of much of what has been said and written on the subject, if taken to heart; if you wish to make the distinction indicated there are better ways: U.S. issue 1911 pistol, WWII era 1911A1 by Remington Rand, and so on.

The military name became the generic name; it is really as simple as that. Usage changes with time and circumstances and what we have here is a term that arose in one context borrowed for use in another. Nothing to see here...move along...
 
HisSoldier...Yep. It's a little like the clip/magazine firestorm. If the guy is talking about a magazine-fed weapon and he says "clip" we know what he means.

So, we use the term 1911 generically to describe all 1911-pattern pistols and their variants...and everybody knows what we mean. So, where's the beef?

And, just to be nitpicky...

Commanders and Officer's Models are Colt pistols...and neither one is a 1911. They're 1911A1 variants.

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