Do you answer the door to uninvited strangers?

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Haven't read the whole thread, but this is my simple thought on the matter.

I'm a man. I'm also armed, and competent.

I'm a man on the streets, and a man in my home. And like any real man, I'm not afraid of other men.

If I can't be a man in my own home, and answer my door without fear, well... I guess I couldn't call myself a man if that were the case.
 
A man who hasn't learned to fear a knife or firearm at point blank range may be a man, but he's a stupid man :neener:

Cowardice and guile will win the day every single time.
 
Wife doesn't answer the door unless she recognizes the person. I answer the door armed, even when I do recognize the person.

Ok not totaly naked, a cowboy hat adds nice effect

First words should be: "You sho' have a purdy mouth..."

Okay, that lunatic was me, coming home from vacation a month ago, pounding on the door of a house because flames higher than the roof were shooting out from the garage.

Well done. Did you ever yell "FIRE!" as you were beating on doors and windows? That can make a big difference in a person's response to you pounding on their house.
 
No soliciting, thank you

Door slams in face. If they try to barge in, my dogs will provide the time needed to get to a firearm. If they don't get pinched by my 220 frame in the doorjamb, hopefully on their neck. My two dogs are actually, but they get so excited it makes strangers leary, and one of them has those spiderman senses of bad people. She barks in a certain tone, things change if the person can actually keep me from shutting the door in their face. Good dogs, here's a biscuit.

jeepmor
 
A man who hasn't learned to fear a knife or firearm at point blank range may be a man, but he's a stupid man

Cowardice and guile will win the day every single time.

So your only concern in life is protecting your own ass?

How noble. :D

A man who feels there's nothing worth dying for has nothing to live for.

I have a woman to protect Cosmoline.
There are people I love enough that I would give my life to protect them if necessary.

I can't afford to be a coward... nor do I have any interest in being a coward.
But I guess that's the difference between you and me.

Why should I fear a knife if I'm armed with a gun?
Why should I fear some sideways shooting thug with a gun, when I'm a competent, trained, and proficient shooter?

But, I guess that's why I live in a big city full of thugs, holligans, and other assorted undesireables... and I still manage to enjoy life to the fullest, without fear of every passerby and his/her intentions. Imagine that!

Having actually been in a gunfight (and not just reading about them at some desk while pushing a pen), I know how I'll react to being attacked. I know how I'll react when it's time to shoot. I've been there before.

Can you say the same? Have you ever been in a fight? How about a gunfight? Do you honestly know how you'll react to being attacked?

I thought not.

After all, how much can one find out about themselves hiding behind their own door?

In Alaska, no less...

If that's the way you feel - and that's how you posture yourself in your own home... Then why do you carry a gun on the street? If you won't even use it to protect yourself in your own home, well... who are you showing off for?

I think I rest my case. :neener:
 
/*Cowardice and guile will win the day every single time.*/

I'll have to agree to disagree with this one.:)
 
If it's someone I know, I answer the door armed. If it's someone I don't know, I answer the door armed, with the piece in my hand, but behind my back or against my leg.


That way, I get all my packages, and if it's someone thinking they'll be robbing me, they're in for a surprise.
 
I remember reading a story about a guy who lived in Alaska, off the beaten path. He pulled up his long private drive one day to find a strange 4X4 parked in his drive, no plates, no people around. Since no one but friends ever showed up, and since detailed directions were needed to even find his place, no one ever showed up by accident, and around that part of the woods, Strangers = bad guys

The homeowner blocked in the 4x4 with his own truck, got out, grabbed his .44 magnum, and with four shots flattened all four tires, letting the intruder know that things are very serious now. Running around the corner and into the headlights and the muzzle of the .44 came the homeowner's hunting buddy and friend, who, once he found out his friend was okay and no one was hurt, said, "...Anyhow, come over here and look at my new pickup I bought for our hunting trips this fall...

I don't know if the friendship survived, but it had to be a little strained, I would think...:uhoh:
 
Fear

Cousin Mike wrote:

>Why should I fear a knife if I'm armed with a gun?<

Uh...Because it's a deadly weapon that won't likely make its presence known until it parts skin?
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And:
>>Why should I fear some sideways shooting thug with a gun, when I'm a competent, trained, and proficient shooter?<<

Because even incompetent, sideways-shooting thugs can get lucky and put one in your gut? Maybe because the thug won't give notice of his intentions
until he starts pulling the trigger?

Incompetent though they all may be, they understand that the best fight is the one that's over before the loser realizes that it started...and you can't assume that just because a guy is a thug, that he is incompetent. A veteran
blade man will have you counting the seconds to bleed-out before you can blink...and good luck aquiring the target while you're watching blood spew
from your groin or your carotid.

Might wanna rethink this one...
 
Crazy story, bowfin! I guess that's the type of thing that happens to paranoid idiots who shut themselves off from the rest of the world.

FWIW, I don't regard Cosmoline as one of those... I think he just belongs in the "people who are in love with their own voice" category.

After all.. What kind of man would advocate cowardice (by name!) to an entire forum of law-abiding American gunowners... AND BE SERIOUS?!

:D
 
1911 Tuner:

I respect your views, and you have a point. However, I answer the door with a gun in my hand if I don't know who it is.

The only hole in your theory, IMO (and I think you'll agree)... Most folks who are that skilled and trained with a knife aren't going around robbing people and committing home invasions. I very well might get stabbed in that situation, but it's not like you need sights to shoot at stabbing distance. Whoever did the sticking is getting shot to slide-lock... at point blank range. Even if I die, so does he. The thug w/a gun thing, you're right again... and I've said myself many times before that thugs can be just as dangerous as one of us with a pistol.

However... it's not like I'm just going to be standing there while some stranger reaches into his pants and pulls a gun on me... and I'm definitely not answering the door for someone I don't know with a gun in hand. He reaches, I point and shoot. He'd have to be Jerry Miculek to get me first under those circumstances.

I understand that every situation doesn't go as one would think, but a little bit of 'been there, done that' never hurt anyone when it comes to situational awareness, right?

My post was not intended to reflect that I think I'll always win every fight. That would be a very foolish thing to say. My main point was that I will never be afraid to answer my door, and I'll never choose to leave the threat to someone else. If need be, I'll take care of things myself before I let my fiancee or next door neighbor deal with a threat I could have stopped.
 
Thugs Revisited

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>The only hole in your theory, IMO (and I think you'll agree)... Most folks who are that skilled and trained with a knife aren't going around robbing people and committing home invasions.<
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Mike...Ever hear of a little guy named Clyde Barrow? He was the epitome' of a thug, but was noted for his skill with rifle and pistol. That's a big part of why he killed so many lawmen before he was stopped by ambush...and likely a big reason that he ambushed...because his prowess was well-known, and nobody wanted to risk drawing down on him.

As far as skill with a blade goes...there are countless street thugs who are wickedly competent with their weapon of choice. Besides which, it doesn't take a martial artist to slip in close with a smile on his face and put your entrails on the floor before you can react. It only takes intent, will...and a decent blade.

Afraid of a knife or a gangsta with droopy pants and a gun? You betcha.
It's like the thing with the terrorists. We have to get lucky every time they try. They only have to get lucky once.

Think about it mah fren...
 
People used to think I was paranoid till a close family friend had his house subject to a home invasion. Invaders tied up everyone, raped his daughter, destroyed the house and stole his Mercedes.
Home invasion: The above is why I am very selective about who I answer the door for. I can't say I do not answer the door when someone I don't know rings, but I am very judicious about it. If I smell a rat for any reason, I do not answer. My wife does likewise.

When I am in my home, my dogs are here, my door is locked, and one of my 1911's is within arm's reach.

I don't live in fear - I live in preparedness; there is a difference.

All it takes is one lapse of judgement or preparedness and you are the guy with the stolen Mercedes, helplessly watching his daughter being gang raped.

No, thanks...
 
Prepared

progunner wrote:

I don't live in fear - I live in preparedness; there is a difference.

All it takes is one lapse of judgement or preparedness and you are the guy with the stolen Mercedes, helplessly watching his daughter being gang raped.
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Amen to that! Regard strangers at your door with all due caution until they've shown that they're not a threat...and keep an eye on'em anyway.
 
A man who feels there's nothing worth dying for has nothing to live for.

The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.

-- General Patton

Answering the door for J Random stranger who set's off any flags isn't worth deing for...

I have a woman to protect Cosmoline.

Hard to protect her when you are dead from trying to be a manly man.

There are people I love enough that I would give my life to protect them if necessary.

I'm more than willing to give my life to protect family, and friends. However, my goal is not to die. I shape my actions and plans to both protect them and myself.

I can't afford to be a coward... nor do I have any interest in being a coward.
But I guess that's the difference between you and me.

There is a large difference between being a coward, and simply deciding the risk isn't worth the reward. On the same note always taking the risk no matter how small the reward doesn't make you not a coward it makes you a dummy.

Why should I fear a knife if I'm armed with a gun?

Because inside a few feet there is a very good chance I will own you with a knife if I'm dedicated to the attack. The most likely case is, we both die. Unless I get some crucial slashes in in the first few seconds.

Why should I fear some sideways shooting thug with a gun, when I'm a competent, trained, and proficient shooter?

Because the lack of distance means they don't have to be good. Which is what happens when you open your front door and get attacked.

But, I guess that's why I live in a big city full of thugs, holligans, and other assorted undesireables... and I still manage to enjoy life to the fullest, without fear of every passerby and his/her intentions. Imagine that!

I enjoy my life, but I don't do things looking for trouble.

Ok I take that back, I work at a club for fun. So yeah, I guess I sorta look for trouble.

Having actually been in a gunfight (and not just reading about them at some desk while pushing a pen), I know how I'll react to being attacked. I know how I'll react when it's time to shoot. I've been there before.

Not been in a gun fight yet.

Can you say the same? Have you ever been in a fight? How about a gunfight? Do you honestly know how you'll react to being attacked?

Nope. Yes I've been in more fights than I can remember. Nope. Yes I know exactly how I'll react to being attacked.

If that's the way you feel - and that's how you posture yourself in your own home... Then why do you carry a gun on the street? If you won't even use it to protect yourself in your own home, well... who are you showing off for?

No where did I see anyone say they'd be unwilling to use it. It's just we are smart enough to try and avoid situations where it might be needed.

What's the best way to win a gun fight?

I think I rest my case.

I think your case as so many logical fallcy's it made my head hurt. Macho Man.
 
However... it's not like I'm just going to be standing there while some stranger reaches into his pants and pulls a gun on me... and I'm definitely not answering the door for someone I don't know with a gun in hand. He reaches, I point and shoot. He'd have to be Jerry Miculek to get me first under those circumstances.

A tiny .32 is virtually invisible in the palm of a hand. Even a good look at his hands would not give any clues. Once you answer the door, you are near point blank range.

Not a good position for even an armed homeowner to be in.
 
1911Tuner: I think we agree more than we disagree. I respect the way you think, and maybe I can learn a thing or two from what you're saying. Maybe if I walked in your shoes, I would have a different view. If you walked in mine, I can almost guarantee that you would understand why I feel the way I do.

I know the difference between a thug at my door, and some guy handing out pamphlets, or some kid selling candy... Most get an armed response, but won't know it. I frequently answer my door w/a gun in hand, hidden from view behind the door. On rare occasion, when things do look fishy, I answer the door with the gun in hand, and in plain view of whoever is at my door.

Most people don't know how to respond when a huge, angry black dude answers the door, gun in hand, deep booming voice demanding to know,

"*** do YOU want, man?! Can I help you with somethin'?!"

Think Ving Rhames with a big shiny pistol and you get the picture. :D FWIW, I've never had any characters at the door that didn't go away once they warranted that response... and that's had to happen more than once, unfortunately.

Also, you made a point I'd like to address:

it doesn't take a martial artist to slip in close with a smile on his face and put your entrails on the floor before you can react.

I'd say it would, being a martial artist for the last 20 years myself. Aint no thug in the world that slick... A contract killer? Murderer by trade? Maybe... but that's far from a thug, and I can't say I've ever worried about something that off-the-wall happening around here.

My approach isn't for everybody. I've been in more seriously sticky situations than I care to remember, yet here I am typing. That didn't happen because I'm naive. It's gonna take more to get me in my comfort zone than a smile and some nice words, and I know what a thug looks like. Come to one of my family reunions sometimes - or take a walk around my neighborhood as of late. You'll see a few guys you wouldn't wanna run into in an alley. To be completely honest, you'd probably think I was a thug on first sight.

Most of the folks in my neighborhood do, whatever that tells ya'. :rolleyes:

Young kid + baggy jeans + tattoos DOES NOT = thug... There's a lot more to it than that. If you know what you're looking at, it's easy to tell a true thug from some kid wearing Sean John jeans and Timberland boots. For the older, suburban guy who drives his BMW to work - and has a van for taking the kids to soccer practice... The guy who has never been in a fight, lives in a peaceful, quiet neighborhood in a half-million dollar house outside of town, and has never seen a thug except on TV... someone who has 2 kids in private school and a Lhasa Apso.. a genuine Mr. Softy? Maybe my approach ain't the best for him... Same for the country boy who doesn't know much about city life.

I'm a whole other thing... I got my education early.

When you've spent your entire life around real-live thugs, grew up in a neighborhood nicknamed "Vietnam" by the locals, survived gunfights, been a victim of violent crime, and still live down the street from it all? Well, you get used to the way things work, eventually. You tend to reflect that in your daily walk and talk, and the bad guys can see it... and when they see you're not intimidated, they move on to easier pickings. I ain't as welcoming a figure as one might think, and most people can tell from my appearance, speech, the way I carry myself, etc... It's not going down like that over here, and they should probably just pick an easier target.

Also.. there's a rhyme and reason to things, even crime for the most part... I drive a POS, no fancy stereo system, I don't wear lots of jewelry, and I don't sell drugs or carry excessive amounts of cash. Any place I'm likely to be, there's probably 20 people you'd be better off robbing.

Same with home invasions. Where I'm at, you don't even need to worry about it if you're not selling some pretty serious stuff. Every home invasion I've ever heard of was motivated by drugs, or excessively flashy people allowing themselves to be followed home. A great way not to get your home invaded? Don't sell drugs out of your house, or wear excessive amounts of fancy jewelry and clothing.

Maybe in rural areas, suburbs, etc., homes are invaded for different motives, but it's been my observation that criminals don't go after honest people much in the inner city... Criminals target other criminals. That's where the money is at. When's the last time you met an honest person who made $20,000 - $30,000 cash everyday? Well, the bad guys know that too.

Prepared? Sure...

Scared? Not of another human being, I'm not. I've re-adjusted too many thuggish attitudes with my own 2 fists & feet (LONG before I had a gun or a CCW) to be fearful of some punk who thinks I'm a target. Violent criminals, by and large, are cowards. I don't wanna get shot, but neither do they. I call it a mutual understanding.

I see your point, and obviously I hope I never meet a Clyde Barrow type (Miami shootout guy, right?) - but after a lot of thinking on the subject, I still have to stand by what I said. I'm prepared to meet that threat if thats what I need to do to protect my home and the people in it, should that threat ever find itself at my door. Like another poster said... if we don't take care of our own neighborhoods, who will?

I guess my point is, moreso than any of this... A knock at the door doesn't automatically ring "LIFE THREATENING DANGER!" in my mind, and I tend to consider people who subscribe to that school of thought as paranoid. I have a lot of friends. Most of my family lives within walking distance of my home. All the kids around here hang out with one of my little cousins, who frequently stops by without notice.

Sometimes people stop by without calling first. No big deal.

If there's a knock on my door, it means someone's at the door... plain and simple. BTW, I'm not a dumbass. I look through the peephole. :D If I see something suspicious, we can take it from there. There are all kinds of things that I would consider suspicious, and I'll respond to suspicion as I see fit. But am I scared to answer my door because I wasn't expecting a visit?

Hell no... and I never will be. What kind of life is that to live?

Respectfully,
Mike
 
"No Solicitors"

I have a black and red "No Solicitors" sign on my storm door.

Salesmen and kids selling candy generally respect that sign and don't knock.

That leaves delivery drivers, peoiple I know, process servers, government people, and a-holes.

I answer the door with a pistol in my hand behind my back. If I see a delivery driver through the blinds, pistol goes in belt in small of back.

Everyone else ( whom I don't recognize ) gets asked if they are illiterate or just stupid ... and that pistol stays in my hand behind my back.

Census takers get told that there are two adults and no slaves living here ... and then the door gets shut in their face. So far a process server hasn't knocked ... I'll wing it if one ever does. I did have a bunch of local cops at the door once. I shoved the pistol in my back and simply asked them what they wanted ... it was a former tennant. I told them he didn't live here, but if they found him, my landlord wants the rent he owes.
 
Personally, i open the door a crack and look through and identify the person. during this time my thumb is casually stuck in my pocket, which is actually:
a) concealing my Benchmade clip
b) making it easier and faster to draw aforementioned Benchmade.

[the law says i can't protect myself with a decent weapon yet]

~tmm
 
Use Discretion and Prudence

My personal practice is to call someone BEFORE I go to their home, and my wife & I expect that of others. However, my teenage daughter has friends show up unannounced at our front door from time to time. Each time I answer the door at my home, there is a cocked and locked 1911 behind my back and a German Shepherd sitting very attentively at my side.
 
I work at a club for fun. So yeah, I guess I sorta look for trouble.

And I'm the macho man? My logic is fallacy? Thanks for clarifying!

Extra thanks for replying in such a personal way to a post I directed at someone else as well. :D

By the way, working in places where people drink and fight is a lot more dangerous than answering your door. FWIW, the one shootout I was involved in happened while I was at work. In an adults only environment... like a club.

I just hope you never have the same experience... it's not fun to be shot at. Sorry you think answering my door makes me an idiot - but different strokes for different folks, I guess.
 
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