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Do You Keep a Steel Pointed Pen in Your Shirt Pocket?

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by the iron horse, Dec 31, 2007.

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  1. the iron horse

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    You never know when you might be called to right a wrong.

    It might help.

    What do you think.
     
  2. sm

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    No.

    NPE's (No personal weapon environments) are /sometimes part of my ADLs ( activities of daily living).

    Metal Detectors, Subject to being searched, Dawgs, and some Real Sharp Security folks.

    No. 2 pencil or disposable Bic pens are what I use.

    How raised - what you do.
     
  3. CWL

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    Yes I do as I travel internationally often and need something to fill-out all those sudokus with to kill the time...

    Clipped to pants pocket, not shirt.

    I have a Hinderer pen, sometimes a Rotring (but the ink cartridges don't last long and are hard to find). I also have a Jones Brothers titanium stylus, but that's usually in my bag.
     
  4. BridgeWalker

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    I don't, yet, regularly, since I don't regularly have shirt pockets just now, but I have.

    Best imho is the Lamy Safari. I do usually have a fountain pen on me with a steel nib and a fine point on it, but I don't think my Pelikan is as sturdy or as sharp as the Lamy.
     
  5. carpettbaggerr

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    If it's clipped to your breast pocket, an opponent can pull it out more easily than you can.

    And when they grab it, it's properly positioned for icepick style stabs to your face and neck. :uhoh:

    Keep it under your shirt flap or in your pants pocket. :D
     
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  6. 1 old 0311

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    Get a Cross pen. Built like a tank, and lifetime guarantee. You can stab it through dry wall.
     
  7. hso

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    I always carry a sturdy ball point clipped to the placket of my shirt.
     
  8. Roswell 1847

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    I seldom carry a pen unless its clipped to my check book. I did find a very old pen recently, probably as old as I am and made of what looks to be thick stainless steel and with a nicely crosshatched surface for a good grip. I've been meaning to find some properly sized fillers for it.

    When I think on it I've seen metal scribing pens used for marking cuts on tough steels. These have an extremely sharp point and the barrels are of a tough aluminum alloy. One of those could probably penetrate a skull.

    A Special Forces veteran I knew years ago was party to just such a discussion about defending yourself from a Mugger.
    He said that he would tell them "I don't have any cash but I'll Write you a check" then he whipped out his pen in a natural motion and flicked open a hidden blade similar to a melon tester blade about 4.5 to 5 inches long.

    He let me examine the pen/knife which he'd picked up in Nam. It was of solid stainless steel and split down the middle for the blade. The two sides served as spring tension latches for the blade which locked open when flicked as a gravity knife. To close it you had to pry back the sides of the barrel.
    Very slim and a very deadly little knife . Thick enough to stab deeply without breaking and hollow ground to a razor edge.
     
  9. Noxx

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    I carry a Cross pen. It's hardly a primary weapon of choice, but it would surely dissuade someone if you put it in their eye.
     
  10. hso

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    Hidden knife blades in pens are problematic from both a practical and legal standpoint. The optimization of a pen as an improvised weapon may not be best served by hiding blades in them.
     
  11. rodregier

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    Roswell 1847 wrote:

    "It was of solid stainless steel and split down the middle for the blade. The two sides served as spring tension latches for the blade which locked open when flicked as a gravity knife. To close it you had to pry back the sides of the barrel.
    Very slim and a very deadly little knife . Thick enough to stab deeply without breaking and hollow ground to a razor edge."

    B&D Grande made a version, don't know where you would get one today.
     
  12. Noxx

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    I agree wholeheartedly. There is no reason to entangle yourself in a potential legal problem with a "pen-weapon". In practical use, any well made pen makes a fine penetrating weapon. In fact, many improvised weapons (I'm sure I've told "the ladder story" on this board) handily trump spec-made hidden weapons like pen knives and belt buckle knives.

    You're better off training to be alert and take advantage of what's around you than carrying a "purpose built" weapon that is not ideally suited to it's task, and may cost you legal trouble.
     
  13. jparham

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    There is a Fisher Bullet in my Levenger Pocket Briefcase, right front pocket. But it would take a long time to reach.
    However, I am a high school student and usually have some form of pen/pencil with me- N0. 2, mechanincal, Bic, Sharpie.
    I usually carry a Buck Mayo Hilo. But since I can't do that at school, I definately view the pen as an effective last ditch weapin
     
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    Well yeah, but not as any kind of weapon, it's because I have to write so many damn reports.
     
  15. btucker1947

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    Tactical pens , right?:D
    Good thought but not realistic. The hard core criminals that are on the street aren't even afraid of a gun.
    They are on dope or crazy at the same time. You pull a knife or pen they will pull a bigger knife or pen. you pull a gun, chances are they have one too. Whatever you do, you have to react fast.
     
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    You seem to misunderstand the point. The point is not to cause fear, the point is perforation of the bad guy, in a situation where a gun or knife is not available.
    I guarantee a pen placed into someones eyeball will slow their attack. Depending on what they are on, it might not stop them, but it's better than begging for mercy.
     
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    btucker1947,

    It's another tool to be used by someone with the will to use it. When you're stripped of everything else, they don't strip you of pens (except working in certain areas where violently detained individuals are kept). When you're jumped without warning and wrestling with the pig on the ground, it's there to give you an advantage in the fight. When you sign your name on the dotted line ...
     
  18. BigBlock

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    Nope. If I feel the need to stab somebody I'll use my knife. ;)
     
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    HJi Bigblock,


    A knife isn't 'socially acceptable' in all places.
     
  20. 357wheelgunner

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    Wow, doesn't anyone know how to fight anymore?

    A good fighter will take a knife or a pen out of your hands, or break the arm holding it, or find some other way to put you down even if you have a deadly pen or sharpened carrot or an apple corer that you are highly trained with.

    Even if you stab someone with it, unless you get a sensitive hard to hit area with your little pen, the badguy won't die for a few long minutes. The way to win a fight is by breaking bones and taking out structure, not poking with a pen.

    People need to practice martial arts and not worry as much about gadgets, concentrating on their underperforming overweight undertrained bodies instead. Most gun shop wierdos who sit around talking about muzzle velocity and stopping power have humungous beer guts. Make your body "tactical" before you clip more crap to your pockets (and no, I don't mean paint yourself black and tatoo "Death Dealer 2000" across your arms).

    Just my opinion: lol @ pen weapons
     
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  21. jparham

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    357- ever been choked while sitting in a chair? Hard jab with a pen/pencil will certainy hurt most people's hands.
    While breaking bones and pummeling people would most certainly work, stabbing is also an effective method, especially if you're pinned down.
     
  22. fjolnirsson

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    Wow, doesn't anyone know how to fight anymore?


    It isn't about relying on these things, it's about using anything you can to your advantage.
    Yes, you are right, people need to learn martial arts. People need to be fit. But people also need to learn to use common objects to help defend themselves. I once beat a man down with a steel tampon disposal unit I tore off the wall. I was in a womens restroom, trying to break up a fight, and a large samoan man was ignoring efforts to choke, break, or otherwise damage him. I tore the stainless steel can off of the wall, and beat him unconscious with it. I know what you are saying about the pens. No, it won't make someone bleed out right away. But t could be that edge someone needs.
    I practice Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and Krav Maga. But that doesn't mean I won't use any advantage I can find. If I have to partially blind someone with a bic to ensure I go home to my family, I'll do it. In a real fight, there are no rules, and everything is a weapon.
    Lol at pen weapons? Go right ahead. I guarantee a well paced pen will help swing a fight your way. Been there, done that. Criminals, hard core or otherwise, tend to look for easy targets. Someone inflicting bodily harm whether by breaking bones or by stabbing, s not an easy target.
    I don't look for fights. If I thought I was gong to need my gun/knife/pen/martial arts, I would stay home.

    A rolled up newspaper is very effective when applied edgewise to someone's throat, as well..
     
  23. Pax Jordana

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    Well, ok then.

    Re: knives in pens - if you're gonna go that route, might as well sharpen up a long nail and paint it black.. more damage for the same ensuing legal proceedings..

    re: btucker -
    ..THIS IS WHY WE NEED PEN CONTROL.

    357, I agree you should not rely on the gimmick, but if you've a solid foundation, the gimmick can only help..

    Plus, unless the person you're fighting is hopped up on drugs, I wouldn't think it likely that it'd be pulled out while in the fight, still usable, and used against you. Unlike a knife, pens and pencils (with the exception of sturdy metal ones) splinter rather easily.

    Part of my job (hospital) is sitting with patients that are a danger to themselves or others. Attempted suicides, mentally disturbed or confused people, etc. Once, we got a guy from a local place (I don't believe they call them asylums anymore and the word currently escapes me) who'd been having a bad time of it, and to calm him down they'd had to give him a bunch (like close to too much) of risperdal - which is why he ended up in the hospital. Hours after his admission, he wakes up, and it turns out he's been holding a golf pencil in his hand the whole time - from bed to ambulance to hospital. He tried to stick it in my arm, but he was still groggy so he missed, or I dodged, or a combination of the two. Go figure, people walking in the front door get to go through metal detectors..
     
  24. btucker1947

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    Breaking into your car

    Hey , Pax I'd use a pen before a 38 :D
     
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