do you own beretta 84 and m9. can you compare recoil

[ArmedHobbit]

Hey, I went shooting with a friend who let me try a 9mm berreta 92 and a 40 sig 226. I was able to shoot them ok, but at the end of the day my hand was tired. I'm thinking of getting a gun to shoot at the range, with a secondary feature of defense. As a compromise, what about a 380? I've heard that the blowback design these guns use might actually have more recoil but does any one have both a beretta.84 and a 92fs that can compare the recoil? If its less then the 9mm I can probably shoot it well, plus my hands are a bit smaller. I was also thinking of a delayed blowback 380 like a sig 238 so if anyone can compare the recoil with this gun that would be great.

 

[RON in PA]

Your problem was shooting the 40 which has considerably more recoil than a 9mm. The effects of recoil are cumulative. The model 92 in 9mm is a soft shooter. My experience with blowback autos in .380 is that they kick more than 9mm.

 

[Pilot]

I have a Beretta M85FS .380, and the recoil with full power loads is snappy but not unpleasant. I can download .380's for practice as I reload, and they are soft shooting. However, even full power SD rounds aren't bad. The 92FS in 9MM is a very soft shooting pistol due to its size.

 

[MedWheeler]

My Bersa Thunder .380, which is of a blowback design, is roughly the same size as the M84, though a single-stack magazine. Recoil is present, but not much more; the gun is quite pleasant to shoot with standard factory ammo, most of which runs in the 85-95 grain range. I don't think the M92 is what was hurting your hand. If you want to feel recoil in a 9mm, spend some time getting chummy with a Kel-Tec PF9. The M92 will feel like bunny farts after that..

 

[usp9]

I shoot both a 92 and 84. The softer shooting of the two is the 9mm 92, but I can also shoot the .380 all day. The Beretta 84 may be the only .380 I'd want to do 100s of rounds through at one range visit.

 

[hammerklavier]

Don't make any decisions based on one range visit. You'll get used to the 9mm recoil. Just see how tired your wallet gets from shooting .380 all day.

 

[NG VI]

9mm is the cheapest centerfire pistol cartridge out there, and is an extremely efficient defense and general use cartridge. Also, there are scores of excellent pistols available chambered in it. Don't go .380 for your first gun, you will end up owning a 9mm soon enough anyway, and there are tons of advantages to the 9mm.

Also they will recoil less when comparing a typical .380 platform to a typical 9mm platform. Ammunition is much cheaper for the 9mm.

 

[Fishbed77]

was also thinking of a delayed blowback 380 like a sig 238 so if anyone can compare the recoil with this gun that would be great.

A Sig 238 in .380 will almost certainly recoil harder than a Beretta 92 in 9mm.

 

[golden]

TRY just the 9m.m. and .380ACP

HOBBIT,

I tend to agree with RON in PA. The .40 S&W can be tiring. I have shot up to 140 rounds in a day for my normal qualification and it wears me out.
On the other hand, a BERETTA 92 using standard velocity 9m.m. is fine.
I also shoot the BERETTA 84 and I consider it a service pistol, not a compact.
I can shoot it all day long and ammo is not that expensive if you shop WALMART or order by mail. Since it was nearly impossible to find .380ACP during the OBAMASCARE, I usually keep two or more of the 100 round boxes of REMINTON 88 JHP in my gun locker, in case we go through it again.

The BERETTA 84 has a softer recoil in my opinion, but with the full size 92 pistol, the difference is not that great. Remember, the model 84 is about the size of a compact 9m.m. like the GLOCK 19, SIG 228/9 or WALTHER p-99. Recoil is spread over a large grip and the gun is no pocket pistol.
The same goes for the BERETTA 92 which is a lot larger than the model 84 and is about the size of a 1911, but with a wider grip.
If you are looking for a house gun only, try the model 92 without shooting a .40 S&W. I doublt it will be to much for you and it is a fine gun.

If so, get the model 84 and load it with the a hollow point .380 round. I would not hesitate to use it for a car or house gun.

Also, I regularly carry a SIG 232 alloy framed .380ACP. I have shot 150 rounds in a session through it without getting tired. However, a SIG 230 steel framed .380ACP I own is more tiring for me to shoot. The difference is in the grip. The SIG 232 came with a softer grip and makes it much easier to shoot.

If you are still having problems with recoil on the model 84, try the soft rubber grips. They may be catchy on clothes which is the reason I do not use them on guns I will carry concealed, but for car or house, they work fine.

Also, you may wish to try the BERETTA PX4 Storm in 9m.m. I shot the .40 S&W version and was impressed with the light recoil.

Good luck,

Jim

 

[loneviking]

I have the Browning BDA .380, which is basically a fancy version of the Beretta 84. Softest recoil I've ever seen. My 13 y/old son loves to shoot the gun as its recoil is so mild and its highly accurate. The recoil of most of the 9mm are going to be noticeably worse.

 

[labhound]

The wife has a Beretta Cheetah 85FS (same as the 84 but has a single stack mag thus a slimmer grip) and I have a Beretta 92FS Inox. She thinks my 92 has more recoil, I think her 85 has more recoil. To be honest, neither one has much recoil. The wife shoots both guns very well but the 85 fits her smaller hands much better than the 92. Both guns are very accurate, very reliable, classic design and are very high quality firearms. 9mm ammo is cheaper than .380. In my area of Virginia the 85 FS Cheetah runs close to $750, the black Bruniton fininsh 92FS a little over $600 with the Inox version of the 92FS being close to $800. If you like the 92FS, you might want to check out the polymer framed Beretta PX4 9mm. It has a smaller grip than the 92Fs, is very soft shooting and very acurate. Runs about $540 in my area. Also look at the Beretta/Stoeger Cougar 8000 F 9mm. Forerunner to the PX4, alloy frame, same rotating barrel, soft shooting, smaller grip than a 92FS and goes for $430 in my area. Both the PX4 and the Cougar are excellent pistols with the Cougar being the best buy for the money.

 

[ArmedHobbit]

Wow, lots of great info. Thanks alot guys. The big problem I had with the 92fs was the grip felt longer (front to back) then the 226 (which felt rounder), which fit my hand better. But the 226 in 40 did have noticably more recoil, which was probably what tired me out.

I've done some research (internet based) about the px4 and also the range has one. I think I'll go again as soon as I can get my friend to go. The range doesn't let me go alone.

Thanks for the info. Sounds like 9mm is the better bet if the recoil is similar, and it packs a better punch for defense.

 

[SteampunkQueen]

its not a model 84 but my friend has a Taurus PT58 in .380 which has a noticeable increase in recoil over his Taurus PT92AFS in 9mm. The PT58 i think is a good bit heavier than a 84 but still, the .380 was noticeably more snappy than the 9mm.

 

[usp9]

The big problem I had with the 92fs was the grip felt longer (front to back) then the 226 (which felt rounder), which fit my hand better.

Try to find a Beretta 92fs Vertec. This model has a different backstrap that makes the reach a bit shorter... perfect for smaller hands.

 

[berettaprofessor]

What USP9 said about the 92 Vertec is absolutely right. I have small hands and prefer the grip size of the Vertec. I shoot both the 92 in 9 mm and the 84/85 Berettas and believe the 84/85 is lighter recoil, however the cost of ammo is so much higher that it isn't an improvement to outweigh the 9mm in my opinion. The 238 is much more recoil than the Beretta 84...much much more.