Offwhite
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Does anyone know what Irelands gun laws are? Just curious as to personal firearms & if they have to be registered. I didn't know if because of the IRA if they had strict laws or certain regulations.
Does Anyone Know Irelands Gun Laws?
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BigRobT
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I do believe that Ireland is part of the UK and their gun laws are pretty stringent. A quick Google and here's one link I discovered right away:
http://www.gun-control-network.org/LI02.htm
Google is your FRIEND !!! (at least for now)
http://www.gun-control-network.org/LI02.htm
Google is your FRIEND !!! (at least for now)
John G
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BigRobT said:
...Well, Northern Ireland is. The Republic of Ireland is a seperate nation. As for it's gun laws, I know few specifics, only that they are "severe."
Vern Humphrey
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There is hunting in the Republic -- including deer hunting. There are restrictions -- as I recall, no rifles above .27 caliber, and licenses for each gun, with the license needed to purchase ammunition.
Bobby Sands went to jail for 1/5 posession of a handgun.
That's pretty strict.
That's pretty strict.
Vern Humphrey
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Dr.Rob said:
That was in Northern Ireland, not in the Republic. And under law, the prosecution didn't have to prove he owned the gun or even knew it was there. As someone said, he got 14 years for being in the presense of an unloaded .22 pistol.
Ooooooooh!BigRobT said:
Only kidding!
Anyhow, by the standards of much of the United States, our gun laws are strict, but things are actually improving
Bear in mind that we're only now emerging from a 30 year period of terrorist activity on the island, and guns and anything else that could be of use to the various armed factions was heavily restricted.
We couldn't even get Calcium Ammonium Nitrate (farm fertilizer) over 27.5% Nitrogen (look up Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma bomb to see why).
An American who recently moved to Ireland asked pretty much this exact question recently on our little Irish shooting forum-
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054883123
There's also a big thread dealing with upcoming changes to our firearms legislation-
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=181086
Have a look through that lot, and I'll try to answer any questions you might have.
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sm
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Seems to me we had a member from Ireland share shotguns could not have a barrel length less than 24".
I cannot the member, nor did I do a search. Posted within the last 12 months in Shotguns IIRC
I cannot the member, nor did I do a search. Posted within the last 12 months in Shotguns IIRC
Vern Humphrey
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Rovi said:Ooooooooh!
Only kidding!
Anyhow, by the standards of much of the United States, our gun laws are strict, but things are actually improving
Bear in mind that we're only now emerging from a 30 year period of terrorist activity on the island, and guns and anything else that could be of use to the various armed factions was heavily restricted.
We couldn't even get Calcium Ammonium Nitrate (farm fertilizer) over 27.5% Nitrogen (look up Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma bomb to see why).
An American who recently moved to Ireland asked pretty much this exact question recently on our little Irish shooting forum-
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054883123
There's also a big thread dealing with upcoming changes to our firearms legislation-
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=181086
Have a look through that lot, and I'll try to answer any questions you might have.
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That's something I've noticed here in the States -- in places where crime is low, and I don't need to carry a gun, I can carry one. In high crime areas where I feel naked without one, they don't want me to have one.:banghead:
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Vern Humphrey said:
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Vern Humphrey
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noresttill said:
The chicken, of course.
At one time, you could carry anywhere, any time in this country. Something prompted fools to pass gun control laws. Crime got worse -- proving we needed more gun control.:banghead:
To this day the antis are trying to prove that "shall issue" laws haven't reduced crime. To which I reply, "So what? They haven't increased it, either. So quit infringing on my rights."
Offwhite
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So something like a glock (or any firearm larger than a .22) is not legal in Ireland?
Vern Humphrey
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To the creationist, God created the chicken ex nihilo, and it laid an egg.tellner said:A creationist will say the chicken. A scientist will say the egg.
The scientist will say the chicken evolved from an earlier, egg-laying species.
Offwhite
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Hey Rovi who are the "gardai"?
On one of the threads it said "Now it says that the gardai have to inspect the secure storage. But it doesn't say they can demand to do so at 3am - unless it explicitly gives the gardai permission to break down your door to demand inspection, they can't do so as the constitution under article 40.5 which says that they need a warrant or permission from the citizen involved to do so."
Is that like the police or the ATF or something? Are you guys under pretty strict rules & regulations (I read many of the new propostions from the threads but there were a lot of phrases that I didn't understand)?
On one of the threads it said "Now it says that the gardai have to inspect the secure storage. But it doesn't say they can demand to do so at 3am - unless it explicitly gives the gardai permission to break down your door to demand inspection, they can't do so as the constitution under article 40.5 which says that they need a warrant or permission from the citizen involved to do so."
Is that like the police or the ATF or something? Are you guys under pretty strict rules & regulations (I read many of the new propostions from the threads but there were a lot of phrases that I didn't understand)?
Vern Humphrey
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Offwhite said:
The Irish Police -- the Garda Seochana (if I've spelled right.) Ireland has a national police force much like that of Britain.
I visited Dublin for six weeks about a year ago and was curious about firearms and the gardai. This led me to the Garda website, where their FAQ boasts this little gem.
Who needs a gun when you have "...moral authority as servants of the people"?
Who needs a gun when you have "...moral authority as servants of the people"?
RaggedClaws
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Actuality always precedes potentiality. The chicken came first.noresttill said:
Regarding the gun laws vs dangerous neighborhoods observation, I would say that they are unrelated in a cause/effect manner.
Vern Humphrey
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RaggedClaws said:
There is a pretty strong correlation between gun laws and crime in this country -- the more restrictive the laws, the more crime.
And, interestingly enough, when "shall issue" laws are passed, crime goes down.
RaggedClaws
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Links?Vern Humphrey said:
The only stats I've seen point to no correlation at all, let alone a cause/effect relationship.
Vern Humphrey
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RaggedClaws
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I don't mean to be adversarial, because I would love it if the statistics proved "more guns, less crime", but do you know of any other research except that produced by John Lott to prove that point? If I remember correctly, there was quite a bit of controversy surrounding John Lott and his statistics (and not just from the antis). If the correlation is easily provable, then someone else should concur.
Maybe we should start a new thread about this issue because I'm sure others would be interested in it (others who might not be curious about the Irish).
Here are some links supporting the "no correlation" viewpoint:
http://dss.ucsd.edu/~sscroggi/Econ1/LevittCrimeInThe90s18JEP163_2004.pdf
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html#intl
Maybe we should start a new thread about this issue because I'm sure others would be interested in it (others who might not be curious about the Irish).
Here are some links supporting the "no correlation" viewpoint:
http://dss.ucsd.edu/~sscroggi/Econ1/LevittCrimeInThe90s18JEP163_2004.pdf
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvintl.html#intl
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