Does my ultimate carry gun exist?

[Sean Smith]

Actually, those guns don't meet your capacity criteria.

I'm sure you could just have the hammer on the USP9c swapped out for one with a long spur. Then you'd have a gun that meets all of your criteria.

 

[Onslaught]

37 USPs where shipped to my local sheriff dept. the man in charge of the depts weapons is the one i talked to and he said "JUST ABOUT ALL" of them had problems. sent most back to HK.........after several tries they got decent pistols......

I just can't find the words... Utter balogna... not from you, but from "the man in charge of the depts weapons". "Horror Stories" indeed. BALOGNA (baloneeeee). I tend to wonder about a woman who keeps having the same problem over and over with every man she dates... I can't help but wonder if it's somehow the WOMAN'S fault. (hint hint)

his view on HK is that they should include 100 ft of rope with each gun sold so you can tie it to it and use it as an anchor because, in his opinion, thats all they are good for,

Gee, his name wouldn't happen to be Sgt. Powell, would it?

The USP Compact CAN be ordered with a FULL hammer like the USP. It meets all your specified criteria, and is ONE HECK of a pistol. I've got experience with 4 full size and 3 compacts, (3 were mine, 4 have been purchased by friends after shooting mine). NOBODY has ever had a problem.

There's also the soon-to-be-released-eventually-one-day "CZ RAMI" that fits all your criteria...
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9439&highlight=RAMI

 

[MJRW]

Holy crap, who is the man that said that about HKs? They don't fit my hand, I don't think I would ever own one. But really, they are EXCELLENT handguns with EXCELLENT customer service. They are really top notch.

 

[Climb14er]

I carry the HK USPc 9mm cocked and locked in condition 1.

What's the biggie about a traditional rear hammer?

Sounds to me that you're excluding too many fine pistols that meet your criteria and looking for something that might not exist.

Good luck.

 

[caz223]

The USPc almost cocks itself.
Flip the safety on, point gun in safe difection, pull trigger.
The gun is now in half-cock.
To be honest, if the chamber is loaded, and you decock it, the gun is in half-cock.
Safety still on, pull trigger a little bit to the rear, and thumb cock the gun, it's really easy with the rubber tipped-hammer.
Anyone who disses the USPc series gun has never kept it long enough for the trigger to break in.
The USPc wasn't designed, it was engineered.
Also, you can carry it cocked and locked, so you wouldn't need to thumb cock the hammer for a SA first shot, if that's your thing.
And as for the safety engaging while firing, somebody doesn't know what they're talking about.
My USP compact .45 has never malfunctioned, not even once, is the only auto I own with a 100% reliability record (Almost 10,000 rounds through her!), and its also the most accurate auto I own.
The only thing my USPc could use is night sights, but that's available aftermarket.

 

[techmike]

37 USPs where shipped to my local sheriff dept. the man in charge of the depts weapons is the one i talked to and he said "JUST ABOUT ALL" of them had problems. sent most back to HK.........after several tries they got decent pistols......

I too have to take this to task...I know you are only repeating what you were told... that said I have a USP Tac and a USP c and I have found them to be top notch weapons. I have two friend with USPc's and they are flawless. I have to wonder about that departments training....

 

[Marko Kloos]

My gunsmith doesn't like plastic pistols at all; he's a 1911 man. That said, he considers the USP series the least troublesome of all current polymer handguns, based on how few he ever sees for repair. He seems to think that the USP is sturdy and extremely reliable.

Then again, he fixes guns for a living every day, so what does he know?

 

[Climb14er]

My gundealer who I have known for ten years, who is a former Ranger armorer doesn't like plastic pistols either. He likes a solid steel, 1911 and other 'heavy metal' type.

However, he carries an HK USP 9mm and knows how to use it! After some talk on the subject of plastic vs. steel, he recommended the USPc series to me and I was impressed from the git-go.

My compact 9mm with nite sites is my bedside drawer pistol and is my choice for all backcountry and road trips in a Safepacker holster.

My govt 1911 will be my CCW around town once Denver starts issuing permits. I don't want to hold my breath on this one being that Denver used to NEVER offer CCW's but this will change do to the new laws.

The HK has the same 'platform' as the 1911, not quite as smooth though, and with an added decocker.

Yes, it costs more than other plastic but I don't buy and sell guns on a regular basis. This one is a 'keeper'.

 

[Berg01]

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Beretta 8000F Cougar L

 

[12-34hom]

Ultimate CCW gun

You're looking at it.

12-34hom.

 

[383bigblock]

Ultimate CCW

The CCW is the one that you'll actually carry. I carry a Walther PPK (Interarms). Comes out of my Milt Sparks holster fast and ready. Trigger is a little hard on the pull but that will most likely be overcome by adrenaline. My PPK has never jammed, mis-fired and shoots straight as an arrow. Sometimes you just can't beat the older guns.

 

[DougB]

SamualT,

What you describe is pretty close to what I've wanted for years, but haven't found (except I wouldn't want the external safety - I don't see much point in having one on a D/A handgun). I also have a Kel-Tec P11, and I'm happy with most things about it except the trigger pull. If I could get a P11 in traditional double action, with some way of manualy cocking the hammer, I'd be happy. As you know, by using a high-quality metal magazine, and thin plastic grip, Kel-Tec gives you a very compact and light 11-round 9mm pistol.

I had pretty high hopes when I heard that Walther was coming out with a compact version of the P99 (I have an SW99 that I like pretty well). I was hoping it would be similar to the Walther P22, but in 9mm and .40S&W. I realize the action is different, and that it would have to be a little larger, but I hoped they would proportionally shrink the P99, rather than just chopping off the barrel and grip (which appears to be the case).

I could also go for one of the Kahr polymer pistols if they were available in traditional double action, although I can't figure why Kahr didn't try a little harder to squeeze a couple of additional rounds into the magazine (I think they could have done so without significantly increasing the outside dimensions of the grip).

I really can't figure out why traditional double action is very popular in fulll to mid-sized pistols, but when they build a compact model, everyone goes DAO (or you have to go to a blowback .380). It seems like there is at least a market niche large enough to warrant someone introducing a traditional D/A compact.

Doug