Does this site depress anyone else?

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Dig Deep And Put It Out There

As some of you have learned, I'll dig really deep into the pile of reasons the Second Amendment restricts the states as much as it restricts the Union, and that the RKBA is an individual right, and I'll stick it out there. I get ridicule even from some who actually agree with my premises in some cases, but always I see new readers commenting, seeing the whole picture in a new light or by a new light. I figure it's worth it.

Don't despair. We are winning. Minds are being changed to the good. People are thinking(a novel idea for far too many I'm sorry to say) and making decisions and replacing the misinformation they were taught with the truth of what the Second Amendment actually says, who it applies to, and what the purpose of the RKBA is.

Take the emotion out of any discussions, or at least don't add any. Any time you hear one of the buzzwords, reply using the proper word or phrase in its place. Never let them get away with blaming the gun in any killing. No one ever gets killed BY a gun, they get killed WITH a gun. That's a hard one to correct, because everyone is used to hearing "...run over by a car. Alcohol is suspected...", instead of "...run over with a car driven by a drunk". Semantics? Yes, but IMPORTANT semantics.

There are hills worth dieing for, and this is one of them. Even in actual war there are moments of boredom and discouraging setbacks, but they are usually followed by sudden and exciting moments of engagement and a small battle may be won! Though we're not in a revolution against our oppressors in Congress, the Court, and state governments, we are in a battle royal on the soapbox and in the ballot box to protect our ability to wage that revolution, or to protect ourselves from tyranny at the hand of our own, should it ever become necessary. The need for the people to retain the ability is there, though the current status quo may not warrant its use. Never forgo the right, and never fail to protect it. There is always someone waiting in the wings to take advantage of any chink in our armor.

al Qaeda found a chink in our armor. When they took to the air on 09/11/01, they knew there were no guns on any of those airplanes to trump their box cutters. Don't ever give up the fight. Dig deep and put it out there.

Woody

"Gun Control" seeks to put bounds upon, and possibly effect the elimination of, our inalienable Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Don't be led astray with the inference that it is "gun" control. What is under attack are rights of the people. Guns are inanimate objects; tools of freedom and self defense, primarily. Dehumanizing the discourse by calling it "gun control" or "gun rights" tends to lessen the impact from what the impact would be if the discussion were to be directed at the HUMAN right being infringed, and attempts to hide it from the strict scrutiny of the Constitution. B.E.Wood
 
The pendulum is slowly swinging in favor of freedom. Worldwide the majority of Communist dictatorships have imploded. The CCW Shall Issue laws are sweeping this country. Europe will reject socialism or it will go bankrupt. I view it as a slow motion train wreck for the other side while mainly small fender-benders for the side of freedom. The dominant left wing media only reports the fender-benders for the side of freedom, but they must know they are losing. But, the political battle will be long so there is no reason to let down defenses now!
 
Lately this forum (and the attitudes of many in the RKBA movement in general) has been depressing me.

Every time someone posts about the idiocy going on in California or other leftist run parts of this country there's always a cadre of folk who post [old man voice]"If'n its happening in California you can expect it to hit YOUR home town soon."[/old man voice]

I've complained about this before ... I believe we are our becoming own worst enemy.

IF complete national gun control is INEVITABLE ...
IF America is guaranteed to cease to be free in our lifetimes ...
IF the "Republicrats" and/or "Democans" are both equally trying to enslave us and take our guns ...

then WHY aren't the hogs being fed, WHY aren't we hearing about dead politicritters every day on the news, WHY haven't several chapters of UC become reality?

The answer is that WE ARE WINNING!

Many Democrats believe that they lost the 2000 election because of Al Gore's anti gun stance. The AWB sunset despite dozens of attempts to save it. There are only TWO states left that completely ban CCW. "Castle Doctrine" and "Stand Your Ground" laws are passing left and right (and unrelated to guns, but related to freedom ... laws restricting Eminent Domain are popping up as well).

There are still anti gun Democrats running around (and a few in the GOP too), there are still anti gun "crusaders" trying to take our rights, but for the most part the giant political machines that used to back them have moved on to other things.

I'm just getting tired of the pessimism and negativity in the RKBA movement. Thank God I've been involved in this fight for a long time because if I was just now discovering it I'd feel like the RKBA side has already lost.

Now is not the time to lament that we'll never win just because we aren't going to see the last 72 years of gun control laws disappear without a fight. Now is the time for the RKBA movement to GO ON THE FREAKIN' OFFENSIVE.

Now is the time to push government to ROLL BACK the anti gun agenda of the last 38 years, then tackle the rest of it.


The left's monopoly over information is gone ... the MSM is dying and the alternatives are enabling ALL sides to get the word out ... once the debate over guns goes from blind emotion to the facts WE start to win.

Don't lose faith. Keep fighing the good fight. We Shal Overcome... [que fireworks and patriotic music]
 
I think things are better than they were anytime in the last 35 years for gunowners, and are getting better all the time. Look at the expansion of concealed carry and castle doctrine laws.

Also, liberals are coming around on gun rights. Look at me, a heavily-armed liberal with a family of armed liberals, and a bunch of armed liberal friends.

It is the other parts of the Bill of Rights that are taking a beating from this administration. But I bet that goes only so far before the pendulum swings the other way.
 
Get in the game.

I'm serious. Get out there and do something about it. Your "depression" is really your sense that there's nothing you can do about it. The more you dig in and get your hands dirty to fix things, the better you're going to feel.
 
The term "liberal" needs to be recaptured too. The creeps that are taking over our media, schools, etc are leftists, not liberals. At least not what the term used to mean.
 
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quote;The term "liberal" needs to be recaptured too. The creeps that are taking over our media, schools, etc are leftists, not liberals. At least now what the term used to mean.

having got into some debates with members here I understand what you mean.I understand the classic term but these days the term is automatically associated as leftist.Just like a conservative is automatically pegged as a racist.Under the classic term I would be considered a liberal.

If you look at leftist organizations their names are often misleading.
People for the American Way
Planned Parenthood
Move On
The term "progressive"
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
and others

stereotyping?If you saw me you would say "look at that longhaired liberal tree hugging communist hippie".

so when I get on a rant about subjects such as gun control and political correctness and use the term liberal just know that Im refering to leftists.
 
NCBUSA, Welcome.

Life is not depressing, but the "boob tube" you had mentioned might add to psychological instabilities because of so many mixed messages. There could be many other causes too: drug dependency, excess caffeine/sugar intake, stress, illness (such as influenza), insomnia, over sleeping, inadequate nutritional balance, inadequate sunlight exposure (SAD), becoming a DU member, blood pressure medications, hormonal changes, green tea ... :p

You are not alone. Us responsible RKBA gun owners are not anywhere close to losing our fight for independence. Find the strength to rise up over your depression! You must know what your priorities are: God, country and family. You can turn here to THR any time amongst tens of thousands of like- minded people willing to discuss what matters to you till the end of time ... or for however long the internet survives.
 
Wow, I am overwhelmed by all the responses. One thing that I love about this board is the great ideas and responsible opinions everyone has. I honestly feel a bit uplifted now by reading all of the positive posts.

Many of the comments encourage deeper involvement and I’m beginning to agree that might be a solution to my problem. I am fairly active with our local NRA and I normally “do what I’m told” by the ILA action alerts, regarding contacting our representatives. I think I should focus my efforts more towards grassroots topics that I can have more of a measured effect.

I am planning on the development of a shooting complex near the Uwharrie National Forrest. Hopefully the ground will be broken in the next few months with a projected completion date in the summer of 07. That should provide a better environment for education than my current ‘back yard” range. I’m hoping that will attract and expose the community to other aspects of firearms besides hunting (not that hunting isn’t important).

My children have been exposed to firearms from the age of 3 or 4. They know the 4 rules like the back of their hands. In fact my daughter shot her first fully auto m-16 at the age of 5. She even talked about it at “show and tell”, much to the chagrin of her teachers. At age 7, she was fortunate enough to get behind an M-60 (blanks) and thoroughly loved it. She is now 9 and is a pretty decent shot with her 10/22. My son however, isn’t very fond of firearms but has been indoctrinated with their function and importance. I guess the children really are the future. I just hope mine will preach to their peers regarding safety, responsibility and the “fun of firearms”.

Thanks for all of the wonderful posts thus far. You have given me a lot to consider.

Chris
 
First off, great first post.

I want to echo the sentiment of "getting in the game". It sounds like you're already doing more than 95% of gun owners by taking the actions recommended by the NRA-ILA alerts, but there are additional things that help to keep me charged up.

Take control. I've been going to the General Assembly for about 3-4 years and find it amazing to sit there and watch our legislative process in action. That, in itself, can depress you as you wonder how anything ever gets done.:p However, it fills me with pride and a sense of the responsibility we all bear as gun owners standing together to assert our rights.

Effect change at the local level. I've been stumping for a couple of pro-RKBA candidates, supporting them financially and attacking the antis that infest our state's General Assembly.

Pass it on. I was at the trap range a while back and saw a couple of young kids (8-11 years old, I'd guess) with what looked like their granddad. One young kid was carrying a single shot of some sort and the other a pump gun with a black stock. Granddad had that "never-been-here-never-done-this" sort of discomfort going on and they were wondering from range to range looking to get set up to shoot. They were up on the doubles range (not too effective with the single shot) and the kids were getting pretty beat up from poor form and mount.

I watched a while to see if Granddad was doing any instruction but got the feeling he was going to just let them blast away. I shuffled up and complimented the kids on how well they were doing (sometimes little white lies are good ;) ) and the kids said that they didn't think it was too much fun. I made a big deal again of their progress and invited them over to the next range where we could work on some singles and Granddad looked like he had won the lottery. Now, I'm no ATA Grand Master (or Grand Poobah for that matter) myself but I figured this was one of those days where a shooter's spark was either going to be nurtured or extinguished.

In short, after a few minutes of some basics from Shotgun 101, a la Dave McCracken, there many smiles, grins and giggles to be had by all.....especially me. I figured that I may have given the RKBA-movement two more chances at lasting another 20-30 years beyond me.

Take the fight to them. I try not to let a single anti-gun article, editorial, or letter to the editor go unchallenged. It takes no time at all to whip out a short, well-edited letter to take their lies and misconceptions to task. Call out anti-gun legislators on their position. Don't let them have a place to hide.

Spend more time shooting and not just talking about shooting. It's easy to spend too much time looking at catalogs, websites, gun forums, etc rather than exercising our rights. Every dollar you spend on ammo, range fees, targets, etc strengthens us as a community.

Hang out with like-minded people. I'm a school teacher, so there's not much in the ways of fellowship to be found on that front. I go to group shoots, we organize MD THR social events, and I generally avoid the people who get under my skin. Life's too short to subject yourself to the irrational thoughts and behaviors of people who would seek to strip your rights.

Don't lose hope. Things are good right now. It might change in November and later on in 2008, but for now we are riding the crest of a wave.
 
lionking, it's the blasted euphemisms. Everytime I see a blasted euphemism I want to vomit.
Pure spin, right in your face.
It's like North Korea, "the Democratic Peoples Republic", yeah right!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :barf:

And yes we do need to take back the term of "liberal". Classical liberalism folks! That's where it's at!
 
Few additional thoughts

Reread the thread and have a few comments that I wanted to add.

I often take the opportunity in other forums (usually for me, astronomy groups,) to argue our case when the opportunity comes up.

Wonderful idea. I am active on only one other board but most of them are already have our views. (Motorcycle oriented) I will look in to more of my “liberal” hobby’s and what discussion boards are available. Then, patiently wait for any opportunity.


This mind set is fostered by our educational system, where it has become easier to indoctrinate students than teach them to think for themselves. Consequently, most people don't learn how to think for themselves until several years after they leave school, if ever.

I couldn’t agree more. Even after college, if people don’t remain diligent the “spoon fed reality” takes hold easily. I have a colleague at work who has been afflicted with complacency. You know the type mid-50's, gated community type who is delusional about the utopian state of affairs. I have taken several vain attempts to challenge her perceptions. Most revolve around who has the responsibility for her security (i.e. herself) and what tools would best accomplish the task. That normally gets her thinking for a bit. I guess the nature of our struggle is to educate people, one-by-one.


Don't despair: Catastrophe is your friend. Americans are complacent and in denial. Reality's stomach is growling; it's getting ready to bite.

I’m afraid you may be correct. I did catch that CSPAN featuring Jones and company. I have to say they present a pretty good argument. Does anyone get the feeling that the true people “in charge” know something we don’t and they are in process of placing their pieces.

Figure: 1. We are on the down slope of the world’s oil supply , yet demand increases every day. Keep in mind that most people think OIL = FUEL. It doesn’t OIL = fuel, computers, plastics, cups, milk containers, stereos, etc. What else is made from oil?

Think: Where are most of these oil based products made NOW? Sadly, due to a host of “trade” issues, these products are made outside of the US. With China (and friends) economy growing at 8-10% a year due to manufacturing it looks like they may have a pretty large stake in this Oil thing. One of the points they raised on the show spoke of the “clash of civilizations”, i.e. war with China over oil and is see this as remotely plausible, given the current course we are traveling.

I hope this is just a paranoid’s nightmare and will never come to pass. However, it may be something to personally prepare for just in case.



But I've gotten a second wind. This site sure has been a relief. Finally, a place to discuss all things GUN! With sensible people at that!

I have to agree. This site is the best I have come across for a general shooting forum. Great people all in all.

what depresses me is how political correctness has been imbedded and it seems its getting worse and worse...people use the excuse of being "offended" at the drop of a hat these days to the point they use it as a political weapon,or to crush any opposing views.

I try to challenge people’s notions with well placed, purposeful political-incorrectness or “anti-spin correction”. A good way to get people to THINK once in a while I believe.

NORTON- Great story.

Once again, Thanks everyone. I will likely loosen my head wrap a little and start posting more.


Chris
 
Registered nurse working in psychiatry/substance abuse treatment.

herein lies the source of your depression.

ok, just funning with you, but shrinking heads is like being a cop. the job surrounds you with whacks, and isolates you from the functional segment of society. no longer a "christian", i have not forgotten "forsake no the gathering of yourselves together". find some guy who believe the same things you do and you will feel better about your situation.
 
find some guy who believe the same things you do and you will feel better about your situation
Ya think? I find we just get MORE cynical about the world at large. :D
 
It is immensely encouraging to me to see a lot of people on the left waking up and smelling the coffee on the RKBA/2nd Amendment issue. I am a center- to center-left independent and a regular on Democratic Underground, and I can say that in the last couple of years, the grassroots support for the gun-ban lobby has well-nigh evaporated. Lots of people who once supported the "assault weapon" bait-and-switch now realize they were misled by the gun-ban lobby. The number of diehard gun-haters over there who regularly argue for the ban-more-guns position, I can probably count on one hand, and one or two of those aren't U.S. citizens and don't live in the USA. And to top it all off, someone posted the following poll question recently in General:

Do you own or plan to buy a gun? If you can, please eleborate on why (self-defense? What else is there?).

The results were as follows:

Poll result (608 votes)
Yes................................(311 votes, 51%)
No, but I plan to buy one......(56 votes, 9%)
No..................................(241 votes, 40%)

Not a scientific sample by any means, but of DU members who cared enough about the issue to respond, 60% either owned guns or planned to. If you read the posts about what people own, many (most?) were NOT hunting weapons, but handguns, EBR's, and other defensive/enthusiast type guns. The portrayal of rank-and-file Dems as anti-gun is largely a gun-ban-lobby PR smokescreen. The party leadership is waking up to the fact that the ban-more-guns stance they took during the 90's is way out of step with their own base. That's encouraging.

(Obligatory note about DU: No trolling please. The anti minority over there likes to portray pro-gun DU'ers as freeper trolls, and the last thing we need is for an actual conservative troll to show up and reinforce the stereotype.) If you promise not to post in the thread unless you are honestly a centrist or progressive (no conservatives, please, DU is not an open forum), I'll post the link (copy and paste into browser; warning, LONG load time): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1689245


Also check out the responses to this post, from a few months ago (copy and paste link into browser):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=97165


No, the RKBA is NOT dead. Not by a long shot. Yes, it's a difficult fight, and yes, the prohibitionists are well-funded and sneaky as all get out, but I believe the fight for the Second Amendment is one that, with the truth on our side, we can indeed win.
 
It is immensely encouraging to me to see a lot of people on the left waking up and smelling the coffee on the RKBA/2nd Amendment issue.

I have to ask how that all squares with the candidates they support?
 
I have to ask how that all squares with the candidates they support?
Things are slowly changing, from the bottom up. It won't be an overnight process, but a lot of people are realizing that it is a necessary process, IMHO.

Will we get a pro-gun Dem candidate for pres in 2008? I don't know. Certainly not if Hillary gets it, but Hillary is stuck in the early '90s in a lot of ways. But down the road, there are reasons to be encouraged...and the Bradyites are finding themselves more and more marginalized.
 
I'm Encouraged

I was born in 1963. In my lifetime I've seen the flow going in the opposite direction of what it is now. GCA 1968 (no, I don't remember being aware of it at the time!). New Machine Gun Ban of 1986. "Assault Weapon" Ban of 1994. Waiting periods. Handgun purchase limits. "Junk" gun bans. And so forth.

During half of my life it was nearly unheard of for states to "allow" their citizens to carry firearms, concealed or unconcealed.

The tide is turned. The majority of states now have licensing schemes that enable citizens to bear arms without harrassment from law enforcement in most cases. Some states continue to liberalize those laws even further.

The concept of lawful self-defense has moved into the public eye across the country, with laws specifically enumerating our natural rights.

No, I'm not depressed. But I'm not a pollyanna either. We've got to keep the pressure on, or the same forces that brought us 1968-1994 will do it to us again.
 
THR and websites like it are a godsend because communication is essential to preserving this great Republic.

So is getting up out of your chair, turning off the TV, shutting off the computer, walking around your neighborhood and talking to actual people. Talk about your interest in guns, liberty, etc. Show your friends and neighbors that "gun" does not equal "gangster" or "kook".

Expose a non-shooter to the fun/strict rules of shooting and you've done greater good than a thousand keystrokes. And then come back here and tell us of your success.

I guarantee that for every five people you introduce to the REALITIES of shooting, at least one will see the light.
 
Yeah, this site is often depressing. What I find more depressing than the fight for RKBA is the fight against the tinfoil hat brigade. Those bastards seem to have us surrounded.

In all seriousness, I think winning RKBA will be an easy task compared to wading through all the propoganda and conspiracy theories people like to present about our modern government and what needs to be done, and how.

What aggravates me most about it is that conspiracy theories make it very easy for antigunners to lump every progunner into that category.

One progunner saying that bush toppled the WTC towers on purpose translates in the media to all of us saying it.

This won't defeat us, but it sure as hell gets in the way and makes the process a chore.
 
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