Does this sound like a scam?

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mikechandler

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I bought some black powder pistols on gunbroker, from another local. Contacting him to arrange to give him cash for the guns, he wrote me back that he could only accept a USPS money order or cashiers check, and he'd have to wait for it to clear before giving me the firearms. I could meet him in person to give him the check however I would not get the guns then.

Is it just me or is this a bit fishy?

These are black powder pistols... you can walk into a store and buy these without any background check at all. They're not FFL type items. Is there some reason I am missing that he's doing this?
 
Money orders and cashier's checks are prepaid. You don't need to wait for them to clear.
 
Biggest rip off I could ever see. As stated above, cashier's checks and Money orders are prepaid, so nothing to clear. You're being scammed without a doubt. no money should ever be exchanged without a product in hand with the exception of a reputable source.
 
Except you are free to cancel a typical money order at the point of purchase at any time until someone cashes them and they clear.

Postal Money Orders are the only exception.

Still in all?
If he won't take cash money?

Something smells very fishy.

(With the possible exception of boob, shoe, or sock money in this intense summer heat.
It's Just Too Yucky!) :D

rc
 
It doesnt pass the smell test.

Neither does RC's boob, shoe, or sock money. :barf:

I insist on paying for very large purchases with cashiers checks. The exception is that I tell the buyer that he can go with me to get the check so he knows it isn't a scam and he can usually cash it at the same time. It's a little pedantic, but I got burned once by someone claiming I didn't fully pay them for a vehicle. I ended up winning the case, but it was a nightmare and a half getting to that point. I also never got any of my legal fees back because he filed bankruptcy right after the case was decided. :cuss:

Most of the guns I've purchased as private transactions have been cash, though. If he's not willing to accept a cashiers check or USPS MO from another local, I don't know what he's worried about. If the cashiers check was drawn off of a foreign bank or some bank I've never heard of, I can understand his concern but that's not the case.

Matt
 
If someone won't accept cash and then tells you that you can't have something you just paid for, it is definitely a scam. There's a reason cash money is called "legal tender".
 
Again you can cancel a 7-11 or grocery store money order at any time until it has been cashed.

I learned that the hard way selling on eBay a few years ago.
I would receive a money order from a buyer and ship the same day I received it.

Only to get burned later when I took the 7-11 money order to the bank, cashed it, and got a phone call from the bank saying it had been canceled by the buyer before I cashed it.

I learned to ONLY accept USPS Money Orders, or cash after that before shipping.

Once you buy a USPS Money Order, you can't just cancer it and get your money back.
And once it's in the mail, you can't do that.

All other money orders I know of, you can.

rc
 
How is his rating on GB? It might be worth telling him what others have pointed out about cashiers checks not needing to clear, on the off chance he's legit and just not thinking. If he had an A+ rating with hundreds of transactions, I wouldn't automatically assume he's a scammer (but still be very cautious).
 
Cashiers checks can be fraudulent. The following is from the OCC (Office of the Comptroller of Currency):

http://www.occ.gov/news-issuances/consumer-advisories/2007/consumer-advisory-2007-1.html

What is a fraudulent cashier’s check? A cashier’s check is a check issued by a bank and payable to a specific person. Because a cashier’s check is issued by a bank, itself, the cashier’s check is paid by funds of the bank and not the depositor. Therefore, if an item is genuine, there is very little risk that the instrument will be returned.

Sometimes, however, a cashier’s check is not genuine, and, if you unknowingly accept a fraudulent cashier’s check in exchange for goods or services, you will likely be the one who suffers the financial loss.

How can you tell if a cashier’s check is fraudulent? It can be very difficult for either you or your bank to tell. When you deposit a check into your account, your bank generally is required by law to make the funds available within a specific period of time (usually, one business day for a cashier’s check or other official instrument). This is true even if the check has not yet cleared through the banking system. Therefore, even if the funds have been made available in your account, you cannot be certain that the check has cleared or is "good."

Your bank also may not be able to determine that the check is fraudulent when you deposit it. Rather, your bank may learn of the problem only when the check is returned unpaid by the other bank—which may take a couple weeks or more. Scammers try to make the item look genuine, which will delay discovery of the fraud. Once the item has been returned unpaid, your bank, generally, will be able to reverse the deposit to your account and collect the amount of the deposit from you.
 
This deal walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Do you know any cops or PI's?

I would reply to this guy that you're brother-in-law FBI agent is visiting and will come with you to make the deal and you hope that's not a problem...:rolleyes:

Then I would report him to gunbroker and the postal inspectors, FBI, and state police for attempted wire fraud. Nothing will come of it, but you might spook him a bit.

Scratch that, I would actually make a pdf of all the communications and email it to the local FBI office and postal inspectors and CC this bastard on the email. :D
 
The only legitimate reason I can think of is a fear of counterfeit bills. Offer to meet him at the bank and withdraw the bills in his presence.

If he doesn't go for that then run away.
 
Sounds like a big time scam. Too many conditions in regards to the method of payment and him wanting to hold onto the guns while he waits for the check to clear is the biggest Red Flag of all.
 
1) I can understand a seller wanting to verify funds before giving you the product. Fraudulent bank checks and money orders are far too common these days. I'm not convinced it's a scam because of that aspect alone.

However,

2) His refusal to take cash when he meets you to get the money (and his refusal to give you the guns at that time) makes me think something is wrong here. It doesn't smell right. Cash is king in transactions, and he shouldn't have any problem taking cash when you meet him.
 
People have all kinds of goofy ideas on how to protect themselves from fraud. usually the ideas don't work all that well.

As someone said, fake money orders are not unheard of, nor are cancelled ones.

Once the merchandise is handed over there is not much a seller can do.

Why he would not want cash is another thing. A lot of people do not want to hold cash fearing robbery.

I would see if you could cancel the transaction if it really bothers you.

From your perspective paying for it and not getting the merchandise puts all the risk on you.
 
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