Doing welded stack cans

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My focus in suppressor development has been primarily monocores, as they go a bit quicker for me, require less material, and I don't believe they've seen enough development in the centerfire rifle category. But I decided to see how quickly I could knock down a stacked baffle type. My approach is a little different than conventional designs, though.

It is a taper lock brake mounted design, my own, which uses a 20° included angle cone with 1/2" of 1"-12 TPI thread ahead of a chamber like brake with offset angled holes designed to create a vortex in the blast chamber. This is the brake, made of heat treated 17-4 stainless:

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The initial prototype had 10 baffles and measured 9.0" long at a weight of 20.3 ounces. However, I had made the muzzle brake too thin to stand up to full auto .308 fire from a 13" barrel, and in testing, the brake failed and sent a bullet through the entire baffle stack and end cap. This was the original set of 10 17-4 stainless heat treated baffles and end cap:

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The baffles vary in length, but all have a 60° cone. The original stack had thicker baffles, but to reduce weight, I thinned them out considerably. The blast baffle has a .065" thick cone with .040" walls. The remaining baffles get progressively thinner cones, from .040" to .025", and all with .032" walls.

The stack is fully welded, including the end cap. They each have an undercut and counterbore for alignment, and I clamp them all together with a piece of allthread and then use a rotary indexer to TIG them cleanly.

If you intend to weld baffle stacks (or anything else cylindrical), I highly recommend investing in such an indexer. They're about $80 on fleabay, plus collets or chuck. Variable speed electronic rotary units are nice, but spendy. These are an economical solution that also have other uses on a mill or even drill press for indexing in whole degrees. I use the same indexer to cut the wrench flats and drill the ports on the brakes.

This pic is the original 10 baffle stack before welding

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and this is the current 9 baffle stack with a different style end cap. I also lowered the heat treat temp to increase hardness, which is why the second baffle stack has a more golden color, versus the blue of the first.

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one of the primary differences in my design from most others is that the rear mount (also 17-4 stainless) is threaded into the 1.5" .070" wall gr. 9 Ti tube, and then the baffle stack is threaded in from the front. The blast chamber is strictly the Ti housing. The threads are turned onto the end cap after the stack is welded & trued up. The stack is removable, though not serviceable.

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In order to not waste the expensive titanium tube, I simply heated it and beat the bulges back in, then turned the profile down in the middle .020" to get rid of the hammer marks, and to reduce weight. The final configuration is 8" long, 14.5 ounces (without brake) and hearing safe according to my ears on the 13" .308 and 10.5" 5.56.

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pretty. I wish I had the tools and time to make my own. Question though, do they have to be welded together?

I keep wishing for a 45cal can along the lines of a silencerco spectre with a click together stack that will take well, most everything.
new mystic almost fits the bill, but the design, well I'm not sold on monocore. I shoot enough lead I need my can to come apart easy, and I've watch enough guys beating cans open.......and they hybrid doesn't come apart at all.
 
Question though, do they have to be welded together?

Generally are in rifle cans to handle the pressure. It's absolutely necessary with my design, since the stack screws in from the front and there is 2-1/2" between the bottom of the stack and the front of the mount piece.

new mystic almost fits the bill, but the design, well I'm not sold on monocore. I shoot enough lead I need my can to come apart easy, and I've watch enough guys beating cans open.

Monocore is absolutely the way to go for ease of cleaning. My designs are perhaps a bit more easily serviced than some others, but pretty much any of them come apart relatively easily, and are a snap to scrape & scrub.

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Does cleaning have to involve scraping and scrubbing? Could that be left in a can of Chem-Dip (carb cleaner) overnight and followed up with a quick degreaser blast- in other words, how caked on are the carbon deposits?
 
Does cleaning have to involve scraping and scrubbing? Could that be left in a can of Chem-Dip (carb cleaner) overnight and followed up with a quick degreaser blast- in other words, how caked on are the carbon deposits?

They're not. I don't even bother cleaning them aside from wiping down the O ring sealing surfaces. The .22 cans get pretty full of crap, but it mostly just falls out when the sleeve comes off.

However, I haven't been shooting lead in center fire handguns, so can't speak to that.
 
Does cleaning have to involve scraping and scrubbing? Could that be left in a can of Chem-Dip (carb cleaner) overnight and followed up with a quick degreaser blast- in other words, how caked on are the carbon deposits?

Or a quick bath in a sonic cleaner. Sling the liquid off when your done and set it in the sun for a few minutes. Maybe I’m oversimplifying this as I take the lazy approach.
 
With a welded stack, why have an outer tube? Seems you could save a lot of weight.

Also, I have often considered whether spin welding (really a type of forging) would be viable for non-serviceable cans.
 
With a welded stack, why have an outer tube? Seems you could save a lot of weight.

Also, I have often considered whether spin welding (really a type of forging) would be viable for non-serviceable cans.

It's not an "outer tube". It's a housing; there is no "inner tube". The 7/8" long 17-4 stainless rear mount is threaded into the rear, and the 5-1/4" long baffle stack is threaded in from the front. There's 3" where it's nothing but the Ti housing. To have made it without a housing like that would require thicker baffle walls and a 3" section of 17-4 machined into a tube. The weight would be closer to that of the almost 20 ounce AAC 7.62 SDN-6.

As for friction welding baffles, it could be done, but there'd really be no benefit over circumferential TIG welding, and likely more distortion.
 
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