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This tuesday a young man high out of his mind decided to rob the dominos pizza I work at with a single barrel shotgun loaded with bird shot. he had the gun aimed at the general manager and then fired it right after the gm ducked out of the way. My friend was hit with 2 stray bbs. nobody was seriously injured.

Do you think that dominos policy should allow those of us with chls to carry while on the job? I carry whether or not they let me and most of my manager know this.
 
As far as I'm concerned, any place that is open to the public should allow licensed carriers to carry.

At the very least, delivery guys. This sort of thing happens far too often.
 
Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter what any of us think. Chances are, even if you saved the day and got a medal from the mayor, you would be fired. Most big companies have a policy that forbids resistance in the case of an armed robbery - not because they don't care about their employees, but because of liability. A stray shot from anyone that hits an employee or a customer and, bingo! Domino's is exposed to a major lawsuit.

The reality is that Domino's restaurants have insurance that will help cover any major financial loss. They'd rather lose the money than risk anyone being hurt.

That being said, if the BG is actually firing his gun and you have the capability to return fire, take the robber out. It's much easier to find a new job than it is to find a new life.
 
Chances are, even if you saved the day and got a medal from the mayor, you would be fired.

And immediately famous with thousands of job offers and probably sponsorship deals for various companies, including the gun you were carrying... Not a bad deal for trading your Dominos career.
 
And immediately famous with thousands of job offers and probably sponsorship deals for various companies, including the gun you were carrying...
Has this ever happened that you know of? Interesting possibility, but I can't remember one.
 
Glad nobody got seriously hurt. I think you are doing the correct thing by carrying. If I hear that Dominos is going to be anti then they will not get my business just like all others. BTW. Where I work there is a no gun sign. Does that stop me? ;]
 
Policy or not I would rather try to save my life and loose my job vs getting killed for the few bucks in the register or to save some merchandise.

Just my $0.02
 
And immediately famous with thousands of job offers and probably sponsorship deals for various companies, including the gun you were carrying... Not a bad deal for trading your Dominos career.
Because who wouldn't want to hire someone they know has a willingness to violate company policy? Not saying you wouldn't get a new job, just that offers may not rain from the skies. On the plus side, the likelihood of you finding a job that accepts you carrying would be better.
 
Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter what any of us think. Chances are, even if you saved the day and got a medal from the mayor, you would be fired.
Then again, Domino's pizza is a drone job. Getting fired from there isn't a big deal.
 
And immediately famous with thousands of job offers and probably sponsorship deals for various companies, including the gun you were carrying...

Has this ever happened that you know of? Interesting possibility, but I can't remember one.
I've heard of guys being offered jobs after they were fired for defending themselves on the job before. I've never heard of sponsorship deals or anything like that.
 
I understand this story, my last job was a delivery driver for a small mom and pop pizza place, it wasn't in the best part of town and all the drivers had a ccw license. My boss did this because we were the only place that would deliver to the REALLY bad part of town and he didn't want us gettin shot or stabbed for 50 bucks! but yea you'd be surprised the stuff people will try just to get free pizza!
 
I'm glad to hear that the only injury was a minor one, and that you're all right.

If it came to a nutjob firing his weapon, I agree 100% with TexasBill - it is much easier to find a new job than find a new life. If you can safely return fire and eliminate the threat, do what you have to.
 
Years ago, I worked for a pizza delivery chain. The rules for that chain prohibited concealed carry.

I figured there were certain things they didn't need to know.
 
Here in Detroit there was an incident involving an armed delivery driver prettu recently. Two guys ordered delivery to an abandoned house, planning on robbing the drivet. The driver shot and killed one of the attackers.
 
I worked in a convenience store for awhile, which was robbed at gunpoint one morning. I wasn't on duty at the time, and when I came on shift everyone was acting really strange, but no one was saying anything. Finally a clerk told me they'd been robbed a few hours before, but she wasn't supposed to tell anyone about it because the owners were afraid the whole staff would quit on the spot. Carrying a firearm at work was considered reason to be fired immediately. I guess an employee being shot by a BG was preferable to the owners and/or their insurance company to an employee defending him or herself. I didn't quit my job but I may have bent a rule or two.:rolleyes:
 
Single barrel shotgun?? Shoulda been some butt kicking going on, while the idiot was trying to re-load. :fire:
 
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Single barrel shotgun?? Shoulda been some a$$ kicking going on, while the idiot was trying to re-load.

Really depends on the distance to be closed. If you're good you can reload a break-action single barrel VERY fast. Back in my VERY early days of duck hunting a single shot was what my dad had started me on, and with some practice I could take 2 shots and be really close to getting off a third on one pass of ducks.

Granted, I would wager that anyone who willing chooses to hold up a store with a single shot probably isn't really good with them anyways, but you never know. Also a possibility too that they turned around and ran after taking that shot rather than reloaded, and in that case if they're retreating you never pursue an attacker.
 
@old sarge

noone realized it was a single barrel until the cops told him. if i had been working i would have probably shot him once he fired his gun.

i've always had a gun in my car but now i carry with me.
 
Do you think that dominos policy should allow those of us with chls to carry while on the job? I carry whether or not they let me and most of my manager know this.


Sure they should be able to.
Pizza delivery is one of the most dangerous jobs in the nation, per US government statistics.
It is much more dangerous than being a police officer for example per statistics.

In fact it is much more dangerous than even the simple statistics show, because it gets lumped in with much safer jobs as a category:

A new study published by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) shows the job of pizza delivery driver is a dangerous one.

According to a CNN.com report, the study selected occupations that had the highest fatalities per 100,000 employees in that line of work.

Ranking fifth on the top-10 list was "driver-sales workers," which, according to the BLS, includes "pizza deliverers, vending machine fillers, and the like."

Fatalities in traffic accidents contributed heavily to national average of 38 per 100,000, but nearly 25 percent of drivers died in robberies and assaults.


You can be certain vending machine fillers, sales delivery men bringing things to regular known documented customers,and other 'driver-sales workers' face significantly lower rates of robberies and assaults than pizza delivery drivers that respond to any location a complete stranger has asked a pizza to be delivered to.
And the percent of deaths from violent attack is much higher than 25% which is the rate for the entire category.
If you put pizza deliver driver in its own category and don't lump it in with all "sales-delivery drivers" it often tops the charts, going from around 5th most dangerous job from 2000-2010 to the first or second spot.
Additionally if you rate homicide rate alone, and not death from all sources such as driving as well, it is often the most likely job to be murdered doing out of every job in the United States. Some years cab drivers are higher, but the two of them are the most likely job to be the victim of homicide while performing out of all jobs in the nation, based purely on government statistics.



However even if your managers know you carry, expect to be fired if you ever need to use your firearm for self defense.
The chain will terminate your employment if for no other reason than to be able to claim such actions were completely against their policies and so they share no liability.
You may be a great employee for months or years before hand, but don't expect any loyalty when their team of lawyers advises them to axe you immediately.
 
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Do you think that dominos policy should allow those of us with chls to carry while on the job? I carry whether or not they let me and most of my manager know this.

Dominos perceives concealed carry as a liability. To alleviate themselves from this, they might consider having drivers as independent, self employeed contractors. Of course, I don't think drivers should operate alone either.

Zoogster's data are actually from 2003 and is a bit outdated. http://www.pizzamarketplace.com/article/111444/Pizza-delivery-driver-fifth-of-10-most-dangerous-jobs

He is correct that the pizza delivery driver data are lumped in with other related fields. However, the BLS report does not actually provide data specific to pizza delivery folks.

The 2010 version has the category downrated to #9. There is no way it is more dangerous than working in the fisheries industry, which is #1.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/the-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america/ Here is the actual report and note that pizza delivery driver isn't specifically identified at all.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf

If you put pizza deliver driver in its own category and don't lump it in with all "sales-delivery drivers" it often tops the charts, going from around 5th most dangerous job from 2000-2010 to the first or second spot.
This information isn't provided by BLS, however.

Additionally if you rate homicide rate alone, and not death from all sources such as driving as well, it is often the most likely job to be murdered doing out of every job in the United States.

Well, most folks probably don't consider prostitution as a job, but it is, just not a legal job in most of the US.

Something critical to keep in mind that job lethality is not the same as job danger. There are a lot of very dangerous jobs which may not have the highest death rates, but have very high injury rates. The media and several groups use the lethality information to determine the jobs that are most dangerous, but this is statistically misrepresentative and risk of death isn't the same thing as risk of harm.

Take professional football. Few professional football players in the US are killed in practicing or playing football, but nearly 2/3 will suffer injuries requiring surgery or missing large parts of the season (8 games or more). 60% will have one or more concussions that will cause them problems later in life. Almost all will suffer injuries. Football is dangerous, but isn't even mentioned on the BLS study. The same goes for boxing, ultimate fighting, and many other contact sports.
 
Zoogster's data are actually from 2003 and is a bit outdated

Sales-delivery drivers are in the top 10 each time:
2002 it was 5th
In 2004 it was 9th
2005 it was 8th
2006 it was 9th
2007 it was 8th
2008 it was 9th


etc

But the top 10 most dangerous categories lump some work together that is safe with some that is more dangerous.
There is something that list does not say:That list is also as you noted is about fatality rates, but assault, robbery, and homicide rates would be the most relevant to the discussion of self defense.

I have seen pizza delivery driver statistics on their own, and it and taxi-cab driver rated as the single most common victims of homicide on the job.
Even when lumped in with all sales drivers that category still is rated one of the highest per capita for homicide.


There is no way it is more dangerous than working in the fisheries industry, which is #1.

I wouldn't say it is more dangerous than fishing, but almost none of the fishermen killed on the job (or on the job of most of the other top 10) are being murdered, or robbed.
While 25% of those that die in the driver-sales category are, a category that includes a lot of truck drivers that have much lower homicide rates that bring the homicide rate down well below what it is for pizza delivery.
(Most of the rest are obviously traffic accidents.)


The same goes for logging, private pilots, and most of the top 10 jobs. Few of those on the list have homicide as a major cause of death.
Out of those on the list with the highest homicide related causes, it is taxi-cab drivers.
Consider why:
They deal with complete strangers in cash in random locations of the criminals choosing. Virtually identical to a pizza delivery driver, and unlike most other jobs

Well, most folks probably don't consider prostitution as a job, but it is, just not a legal job in most of the US.

Yes it is very dangerous if you count illegal jobs, but then you should include drug dealer (violent criminals are always trying to rob them) and career robber (end up at gun point every now and then) as well. You can't just start throwing in illegal professions.
However prostitution includes very similar reasons to the taxi-cab and pizza delivery jobs. They meet and deal with complete strangers at the location or destination of the attacker's choosing, and who they are meeting with is completely undocumented.


Few jobs will have you meeting with complete strangers, where the stranger wants, while knowing nothing about who the stranger is.
Most jobs where people meet with other people involve known individuals, on file, documented customers, or at least require the customer to enter a business such as a retail location.
However a taxi cab or a pizza delivery driver can both be called to remote locations, just as a prostitute can be taken to one. They are informal transactions done with a stranger at the location of the stranger's choosing, while being highly visible to the criminal element (every thug has legitimately ordered a pizza before, and everyone knows about and sees taxis) and with no customer type out of place.
They all share much of the same reason that gives them the highest homicide rate (and rate of robbery) in the country, and has for decades.


Since a gun as it relates to defense is for dealing with such risks, not the risk of drowning, having trees fall on you, or vehicular accidents, or the causes of death for most on the top 10...
It would be the rate of homicide and robbery that would be most relevant to the OP's post.
Out of every legal job in the country, almost none are more likely to result in need for a concealed firearm than pizza-delivery/taxi-driver. Even police and security have a lower rate of violent attack and homicide.
 
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Those of you working in pizza delivery can read more on driver safety and other stuff at www.tipthepizzaguy.com/discussion. I work also in that field one night each week for "daughter-college-fund" cash. I carry in compliance with law, and in violation of policy. Situational awareness has gotten me out of several robbery setups before any of them had a chance to go bad.
 
And immediately famous with thousands of job offers and probably sponsorship deals for various companies, including the gun you were carrying...

Hmmm... i think that only happens when you're already the governor, shoot a coyote, and, most importantly, it happens in texas. Don't think he got job offers over it, just some positive press (which is like crack to a politician)

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This thread reminds me of a robbery in which I was co-counsel on the prosectution. Long story short - Problem Soldier and recently unemployed stripper wife are bored and hungry. Concoct plan to rob consequtive pizza delivery drivers. Plan failed miserably. They robbed the first one (IIRC they used a 9mm Keltec) and held him at gunpoint. He escaped and called the Military Police. They took the pizza, $100, his phone and his car. High speed chase across base and then off base and across state lines. Totalled the car in an accident, but they escaped temporarily. He was ultimately caught, then escaped (on the transport to trial), and then caught again by a SWAT team and CID trying to flee the state with a plan to carjack someone to flee the state.

We put him away for 3 years in Levinworth for the UCMJ charges on base. Then the state had a whack at him for related charges. Will likely get him for a few more years.

All of that for a $20 pizza (they didn't get a chance to eat) and $100 in cash (they had to spend $30 on first aid from the accident).

Just amazing the absolute desperate thugs out there... people will threaten you with deadly force and sometimes kill for literally a meal and a few bucks.

People that don't take their own safety seriously are just fools...
 
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