Don't blame the guns

[jamesjames]

@psyopspec

you read it wrong. I don't believe I bullied anybody. There's an AP story that starts to pick up on some of what I said last night.

http://wtop.com/national/2015/08/despite-volatility-on-air-rampage-difficult-to-predict/

 

[danez71]

Yes, Mr. Gardner has it correct. Unfortunately, with Andy Parker, the horse is already out of the barn. He's on a mission and nothing will stop him.
During his "press conference" earlier today he let slip that he had in the past pushed for more gun-control when he was "running for election to be a delegate." I'm not sure if I have that quote exactly right, but the point I'm trying to make is he is/was a politician.
So pushing for more gun-control is something he was already ambitious about and now he's absolutely passionate & hell-bent on achieving.

I hadn't heard that so I did a little digging.

Parker, 62, is not a political novice. He is a former member of the Henry County Board of Supervisors and a failed Democratic candidate for the state legislature.

And this is, in part, what he said in an interview.


1st, let me say, my brother (step) was killed by being shot in the head. I do have some 1st hand personal experience. I never... not even for a nano second.... blamed the gun.

And if my daughter was killed like that Id be pretty devastated too - I dont mean to kick a man when he's down.


What he says is just so full of malarkey. Its either complete lack of knowledge or intentional misleading.

Speaking outside the Roanoke television station where his daughter worked, Parker said he's not against gun ownership in general, but stricter background checks are needed to keep guns away from mentally ill people. He wants to close loopholes for buying guns at gun shows. He also doesn't see why civilians need assault weapons: "Who the hell needs a machine gun to go hunt?"

Forget about the supposed 'gun show loophole' for a minute.


NO background check would stop a guy buying a gun that had no history of mental issues.

Machine gun?!?!? Not a single one of these shootings have used a machine gun.

Does he not know what a machine gun is or is he intentionally misleading people :banghead:

 

[2ifbyC]

@jamesjames

I believe your post was a purposeful derisive description of the event’s background. Its intent was to be cynical to draw attention to the type of stories the media milks and manipulates for ratings. And I agree entirely with your summation – well stated.

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

There are no new laws that will stop someone with a clean criminal record, which Mr Flannigan had, from committing these atrocities.

I also read in an msnbc article that Parker stated " why the hell do you need an assault weapon to hunt". Since when is the 2nd Amendment about hunting?

I took delivery of my AR-15 on Wednsday, now that gun control is front and center again....I'd say that was good timing!

 

[jamesjames]

thanks. I also didn't mention Alison and Adam by name because they were just 2 junior staffers that got caught up in this. What I meant to point out is that a TV news department is the epitome of communication, analysis, and connection to resources in the community. They have great relationships with health care, mental health, police, and the judicial system. Their senior staff and management have lots of experience in identifying and analyzing news stories.

It is the ultimate, tragic irony that they couldn't see this coming or take any steps to intervene earlier.

Its not about the guns... Its about our inability to recognize or control mental illness in another person. The question is what do we do? do we try to disarm the entire population? Do we take prudent steps to defend ourselves? In a free society, is it possible to guarantee safety to everyone, everywhere, at all times?

 

[psyopspec]

C'mon, focus now... Television news... MSM, populated by nice, liberal folks that pride themselves on being in control, knowledgeable, resourceful..."tolerant". Its TV news with larger than life on-air personalities: they are a little narcissistic, but generally bright, good communicators.

Did you know the victims, putting you in the position to accurately describe them? If you didn't, you're talking out of an orifice. And even if you did, that's classless either way. But then you up the ante by blaming them rather than the perpetrator. Sure, don't blame the gun, but definitely don't blame the victim.

The liberals at this nice TV station had the chance to analyze the problem, recognize the warning signs, do an intervention, and make the world a better place for everybody. Instead, they did no better than average Joe Citizen in being able to help this person, diffuse the situation, or stop the ticking bomb.

 

[Lord Teapot]

now imagine if the one who runs away in the video, had instead pulled her ccw. remember to vote next november, they will, even if they're dead, and sometimes twice.

 

[jamesjames]

Look, psychological ops specialist, judging from your handle you should be able to figure this one out.

I'm not blaming anybody. I'm saying that if an outfit that's really good at communication and analysis can't figure this out, how can the rest of us? If you are a psyopspec, maybe you have some insight or expertise you can add to this besides just attacking me?

I got crossways with you and I'm sorry for that and have been trying to explain that one to you. But you haven't moved an iota from the initial offense you took. So unfortunately, if this keeps up, you will begin to resemble the perp in Roanoke in his anger and inability to get past a perceived slight.

 

[klausman]

A big part of the problem with the MSM is that the journalism schools haven't been teaching actual journalism for a long time. It is so bad that even the editors cannot tell the difference between story (fact) presentation and editorializing.

Journalism has become just another form of entertainment (and profit center) where sensational sells, regardless of the facts.

 

[psyopspec]

@ jamesjames

Look, psychological ops specialist, judging from your handle you should be able to figure this one out.

I'm not blaming anybody. I'm saying that if an outfit that's really good at communication and analysis can't figure this out, how can the rest of us? If you are a psyopspec, maybe you have some insight or expertise you can add to this besides just attacking me?

I got crossways with you and I'm sorry for that and have been trying to explain that one to you. But you haven't moved an iota from the initial offense you took. So unfortunately, if this keeps up, you will begin to resemble the perp in Roanoke in his anger and inability to get past a perceived slight.

Dude, no worries about any element involving the personal here. My calling your post tasteless for painting with broad strokes and dripping sarcasm over an entire field that included the victims is calling a spade a spade. No need for me to "move on from offense." Strangers on the internet aren't worth getting offended over.

No longer a psyop specialist, and no longer in the military. A lot happens over 10+ years.

Get as cross as you like, stay as cross as you like. Or don't. Make base comments about the dead, or don't. But don't be surprised when crude behavior is called out as such. Posts like many of those appearing in this thread are why this community is full of insularity. Gun ownership could be a big tent with a lot of room under it, and is in many places; instead folks wish to emote to among a common demographic at the expense of advancing 2A (something you admitted you don't much care about, oddly, but your behavior backs that up).

 

[Aragon]

What will be truly sick, perverse and sad, is when the Antis get their way, private ownership of firearms is banned and all are confiscated.... and the murders continue. Baseball bats, golf clubs, kitchen knives, rebar, chains, rat poison....... plenty of "weapons" to be had. But by then, We The People will all be defenseless sheep.... unless we collectively 'grow a pair', take up those same weapons, and first take care of the thugs, THEN take care of the Antis and their political/media cohorts. Freedom is always bloody to regain.

The truth is, even if guns are banned and many are confiscated, criminals will still have them...

 

[skeeziks]

"Confiscate them...?"
Does anyone remember what happened when someone tried to confiscate our arms back in 1776?
We didn't allow it...did we?

 

[Black Knight]

Parker's father wants to buy a gun now that he is a "public figure" but also wants to restrict guns to others. This is typical, guns for me but not for thee type of attitude. It is like I have discussed with friends, if by some chance all guns on the planet (civilians, police, and military) were destroyed it is human nature that if a person wanted to kill they would fashion a weapon of some sort or use what weapons were left (kitchen knives, axes, baseball bats, hammers, anything).

 

[psyopspec]

@ Black Knight

Parker's father wants to buy a gun now that he is a "public figure" but also wants to restrict guns to others.

He does? Source?

 

[Black Knight]

It was a local area news article I read the day after the shooting. I don't recall the exact news source.

 

[climbnjump]

Parker's father wants to buy a gun now that he is a "public figure" but also wants to restrict guns to others.

He does? Source?

Here is one source:

Despite his message, Parker, perhaps in a sign of Southern pragmatism, said he was thinking about getting a gun himself now that he was in the public eye and taking on such a controversial issue.

"I don't own a gun. We don't have a gun in our family. I'm probably going to have to get one," he said.

 

[psyopspec]

Well, damn. That's high enough hypocrisy as to border on the absurd. Thanks for posting that, and for going after the argument and not the man.

 

[Jeff White]

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