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I watched Bowling for Columbine, don't get mad at me.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by mastiffhound, Dec 30, 2012.

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  1. mastiffhound

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    I've never watched it before, and, well, know thine enemy. It seems to be half anti-gun, half pro gun? It shows the similar situation that happened in 1999 during the assault weapons ban. Also about other school shootings. It was filmed during the AWB too. It talks about how these kids were mentally unstable. Video games, movies and music were also blamed. There was a full on verbal attack on the NRA. The calls for 2nd amendment being repealed. It talks about how we are a gun culture. It shows the Nazi's, the British slaughter in India, and many others.

    It shows regular gun owners and some not so regular ones. When he starts screwing with Charlton Heston about a school shooting which of course was not advocated or condoned by him it makes me angry. It talks about how the media, corporations, and government uses extreme scare tactics to rile us all up and be constantly scared. It does a very bad job of being completely anti-gun.

    I don't know if most of you know this but my brother, while home on leave from Iraq, was murdered with a gun. The man who shot him wasn't even able to own a firearm. I still cry probably once a week. Sometimes more. I know first hand what it feels like to lose someone to gun violence. So does my other brother and sister. So does everyone in my family. It hurts every day. The day before he was killed he had talked about getting his CCW permit. It hurts to think that it could have made a difference.

    Not once did anyone in my family question gun rights or say they should be banned. We knew that a man took my brother from us, not a gun. None of us thought that taking away everyones guns would fix anything. I guess we are not as ignorant as these other morons. I'm sorry but that is what I think. No one can say to me" Well you don't know what it's like to lose someone to gun violence". Sadly, I do know. 99% of these gun grabbers don't know what it's like though. Sorry for the long post but this has been picking at me for awhile. It makes me sick that people are using this tragedy to further their idiotic agenda.
     
  2. ColtPythonElite

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    I have watched it. I found it entertaining.
     
  3. stickhauler

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    You choice, your time. I've never wasted a moment of my precious time watching any piece of crap Chubby ever made, and don't plan to.
     
  4. jim243

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    No problem, sorry for your loss.

    Jim
     
  5. velojym

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    I've watched that piece of propaganda a couple times, and he practices a sleazy form of bait-and-switch in order to drag folks off the fence (because he sounds *so* reasonable), and shellacks them with fake scenarios and sloppy showmanship in the hope that enough will be weak minded enough to take the bait.
    The Heston scene was just wrong.
    The flashy cartoon sequences would have been right, if the 'fear' aspect had been applied to the victim-disarmament crowd, as their behavior almost perfectly matches the 'scaredy-whites' in the cartoon.
    The bank scene was falsified, and made to look as if he opened an account, and was handed a wicked-evil GUN to take with him right then and there. The bank actually gave him a coupon, with which he could pick up a shotgun at a gun shop, jumping through all the hoops he'd have to go through if he were buying it himself.

    Check out "Michael and Me" for a better rundown. I can't even imagine a word to describe how low this buttwad is willing to go to promote his pet agenda. Honesty isn't even in his vocabulary.

    Your response to your personal tragedy was a more logical approach. The wrong was done by the evildoer, nobody else. Of course, this doesn't work in the mind of a collectivist, so they have to drag in a bunch of other people without including themselves.
     
  6. wacki

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    It bugs me to no end that there isn't a well made pro-2A documentary.

    The facts are on our side yet we don't communicate effectively.
     
  7. Bobson

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    I watched it a few years back. I was entertained by it, and I can't say I remember it being significantly anti.
     
  8. velojym

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    It is. If you really look closely at the message in each segment, it's a scathing "indictment" of America's gun culture. Much of the unreasoning fear he attributes to us is merely projection, though.
    He even went as far as buying a life membership in the NRA in order to give him some false "gun cred" for this sewer lump of a film.
     
  9. Dr_B

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    I've seen it. I even met Michael Moore once in a Starbucks in Birmingham, AL, around 2002. The movie is garbage and the man is a weirdo. All of his movies are intentionally edited to present a very skewed viewpoint.
     
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    Moore says Guns = racism and you don't think it's anti-gun?
     
  11. 9MMare

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    Mastiffhound I am so sorry about your brother and am very grateful for his service.

    I have not watched that movie. If I do now, I will keep your brother's memory in mind.
     
  12. Warp

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    A history book that covers the war for independence just doesn't cut it these days, I suppose
     
  13. Rail Driver

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    Not when the liberal minded, anti-gun, government controlled educational system is in control of the curriculum. I finished high school 13 years ago, and I wasn't even properly taught about the American Revolution - I had no idea until just a few years ago that the British attempted disarmament before the revolution began, for example. There are significant differences between the American History I was taught in school, and the American History my younger sister (now 14yrs old) is being taught now. I remember an entire unit on the Revolutionary War (several chapters) - my sister's history book has less than a full chapter regarding the Revolutionary War.
     
  14. Warp

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    The quickest way to get people right to the point of it, IME, is to ask them why the first shots of the war were fired. Most people know, but don't really know until you point it out.

    The first shots were fired because the Redcoats attempted to confiscate our arms and ammunition (again). We took up arms against the Regulars of the army to keep our guns, cannon, ball, powder, etc
     
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    It bugs me to no end that there wasn't much support on THR for a pro-2A documentary when the golden opportunity did present itself in the form of a credible, Emmy award-winning scientific documentary maker. Kris Koenig and his crew stopped by here back in September. He ran a Kickstarter campaign for a pro-2A documentary and secured PBS air time (an incredible feat in itself). It got HUGE traction at Calguns and a ton of donations there. During the final hours, a ton of people double-downed and still he barely exceeded his meager goal. He registered an account and started a thread here on THR, and it didn't get much traction. The thread was started September 11, 2012, last post October 8, 2012, only lasting four pages. Myself and several others did our best to keep the thread alive to keep interest but it never got traction here. I did what I could and threw a few hundred dollars at his project. If even 1% of THR skipped a box of ammo and sent $20 his way, we could have blown his budget wide open and provided him with a ton of extra funding instead of his shoestring budget. $70k is not a lot of money to put together a film. I could only imagine what kind of film he could put together if he had raised $100k, 200k, 500k or more.

    The thread on THR is here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=676780
    Here was the project Kickstarter: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/assaulted/assaulted
    Their site: http://www.deadpatriotfilms.com/assaulted/
     
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    Dang, wish I knew about that at the time. Missed it
     
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    The website still has an active donation tab. There's a $50 shirt and a straight donation. All the cool Kickstarter schwag is no longer available.

    He did a few interviews on various pro 2A radio stations. I was hoping he would snag support from the NRA or some heavy hitters, but perhaps that would make it look like "NRA propaganda". In any case, if you follow the various threads (he registered on a ton of various gun forums to get support), they're going to be doing it strictly by government figures and in a scientific manner so the facts cannot be simply dismissed.
     
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    I saw it in the original theatrical release when I lived in DC, and I laughed a lot during the "Africanized killer bees" montage, which I thought was so much on point about how our current media culture alienates us from our neighbors and at the same time is so madly trying to fearmonger about this unknown threat of neighbors you haven't met yet. But then MM went on a mugging spree, abusing having the camera and prep time to make people he didn't sypmathize with look foolish without bothering to give them a fair chance to speak, and he lost me.
     
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    Michael Moore is one of the sleaziest people in this country. He is worse than Rosie O'Donell even. One of those people who thinks society at large should take care of all of the problems in the world. One of those people who thinks he knows how best people should live their lives, and that lifestyles should be heavily legislated. He is so short sighted and hypocritical that he can't even see beyond the tip of his nose.

    Even a lot of the left leaning people find him deplorable
     
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    I tried to watch it but I had to turn it off it was so nauseating. It was blatantly slanted. Michael Moore is- never mind, gotta keep my comments family friendly
     
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    All his movies are skewed to attract a un-educated, populist audience so he can MAKE MORE MONEY. That is what it is all about. He can talk a good game about 75% income taxes, and how unfair capitalism is, but watch him shelter his income to pay the least amount of taxes, and shamelessly self promote to MAKE MORE MONEY. Just another liberal hypocrite in the Al Gore, Barbara Streisand mold.
     
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    An entertaining movie, guaranteed to get your blood boiling or convince you that somethings amiss with gun loving America. Moore did a good job of enflaming emotions and bringing himself to the forefront of mainstream media. Helps pay for food I guess. It really is a great propaganda piece, superb in fact. But Truthful? Kinda sorta not really too much. Just know that going in or coming out.

    Several Sites did indepth research refuting the "facts" within his Oscar winning "Documentary"... here's one...

    http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
     
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    I loved Roger and Me. That said;

    Michael Moore is a rotten man for the way he treated Mr. Heston. He showed up un-announced and the man was gracious enough to invite him into his home the very next day. He edited the interview to make Heston - a serious Civil Rights supporter who marched with Dr. King on Washington - appear racist. For that alone, and the attendant way the NRA was made appear founded with racist intent, I condemn that fool.
     
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    Not to mention the way the edited the footage to make it seem like the NRA came to Flint the day after that kid was shot, when it was way later (if you watch again, Heston's tie color is different between shots).

    Also he went and got a kid that was shot at Columbine before going to Wal Mart to get them to stop selling the evil ammunition that was used in the shooting. Talk about exploitation of children.

    I donated back in the summer, whatever amount to get the free DVD. I tink response was better than you think it was, and he did eventually exceed their goal. I can't wait to see it.
     
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    X2 on Roger and Me being good.
     
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