UncleEd
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What amazed me was the high cap. shooters inside the range. went through their box of 100 in ten minutes.
Dang! Never thought hi-cap 9mm shooters could be sooooooooo sloooooooooooooow.
Don't understand the 9mm 1911.
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Dang! Never thought hi-cap 9mm shooters could be sooooooooo sloooooooooooooow.
JR24
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Heck, depending on what drills I'm working on I can power through 100+ rounds in ten minutes with my .45 1911 no problem. Pre loaded mags and lots of em help
ApacheCoTodd
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I never *got it* from the first time I ever heard of one in the '70s right up until I backed into an advantageous deal over a Kimber some few years back.
Then, I thought, why the hell did I hold out for so long?
On the surface it might seem a goofy idea but then the acceptance of all the other calibers along with 9mm classically being a buyers' caliber regardless markets as well as cases of surplus that used to be available adding even more.
Accurate, cheap to shoot, easy recoil, 10 rounds.... Hell, what's not to like? Man, but do I regret some of the deals I let pass for my prejudices.
These days, I have; .22, .38 special, Super 38, 9mm, 9x23, 10mm and of course .45acp.
Ultimately, my favorite is the outlier in 9x23.
Todd.
Then, I thought, why the hell did I hold out for so long?
On the surface it might seem a goofy idea but then the acceptance of all the other calibers along with 9mm classically being a buyers' caliber regardless markets as well as cases of surplus that used to be available adding even more.
Accurate, cheap to shoot, easy recoil, 10 rounds.... Hell, what's not to like? Man, but do I regret some of the deals I let pass for my prejudices.
These days, I have; .22, .38 special, Super 38, 9mm, 9x23, 10mm and of course .45acp.
Ultimately, my favorite is the outlier in 9x23.
Todd.
ApacheCoTodd
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In my case, I wish someone had calmly and rationally explained the point of the gun/cal combo and then let me shoot one as well.
Todd.
ApacheCoTodd
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I have quite a few 1911 pistols in both 45ACP and 9mm. I like shooting both calibers. I do prefer the 9mm for long range sessions though.
Variety is the spice of life. Buy what you like and don't worry about what others like and buy. It really is that simple.
And Yes I also like and own AR pistols and a Shockwave. They are very useful for their intended purposes.
I had to double check to see what forum I was actually on after reading some of the replies in this thread. For a second I thought I was reading ARFCOM or Glock Talk with the way some of the replies are. What has happened to the High Road in the last few months?
Variety is the spice of life. Buy what you like and don't worry about what others like and buy. It really is that simple.
And Yes I also like and own AR pistols and a Shockwave. They are very useful for their intended purposes.
I had to double check to see what forum I was actually on after reading some of the replies in this thread. For a second I thought I was reading ARFCOM or Glock Talk with the way some of the replies are. What has happened to the High Road in the last few months?
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The answer is listed in my signature.
My son was very satisfied with his CZ SP-01 until I let him shoot a Sphinx. He could not believe that a CZ75 platform would have such an incredibly smooth trigger and tight tolerances. Still, I find the P210 and the Nowlin to be a tad more accurate, they are both as good as the Hämmerli International, the gun that still holds the world record in ISSF accuracy games.
UncleEd
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Some posters have mentioned how much they
like or might like a 1911 Commander in 9mm.
The idea really dates back to the Army wishing
for a new lightweight pistol after WWII. Colt
and Smith & Wesson tried to please.
Colt of course did produce a LW Commander
in 9mm and Smith & Wesson developed the
Models 39 (DA/SA) and 44 (SA only).
like or might like a 1911 Commander in 9mm.
The idea really dates back to the Army wishing
for a new lightweight pistol after WWII. Colt
and Smith & Wesson tried to please.
Colt of course did produce a LW Commander
in 9mm and Smith & Wesson developed the
Models 39 (DA/SA) and 44 (SA only).
IMHO, a well sorted out 9mm 1911 is one of the best range guns you can own. My 2 BHP’s and my CZ 75B also always run really great for me. But I know that my STI Trojan 9mm 1911 always fits the bill nicely for me. If I had to choose between these 4 pistols, I honestly couldn’t do it.
RetiredUSNChief
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Why when the platform offers .45ACP, 10mm, 40S&W and America's answer to the punybellum the .38Super, just don't get it.
Your posts here are showing an assumption and presumption about the reasons why the 1911 (or any other platform) should or should not sport any given options in caliber.
Setting aside other more technical/engineering issues, there's the simple matter of variety driven by market demand. Each and every firearm out there, including all the various calibers and loadings, were ultimately the result of market demand. The venerable 1911 design itself is clearly documented proof of this if people care to actually look up its history.
So what we have with the 9mm chambering for the 1911 which came about because of two things:
- A very popular semi-automatic firearm design in the 1911.
- A very popular caliber found in a great many firearms around the world in the 9mm.
One would do well to remember that popularity is itself driven by many factors. One is how common something is...like 9mm, for example. Another is practicality. Then there's price. Power is an option, as well. There are a lot of things which affect the market and sometimes a few combine to create something that actually lasts.
I can think of several very practical reasons why someone might want a 1911 chambered in 9mm. For one, the grip is significantly narrower than a double-stack would be. For some people, this can be a make or break issue. The design of the 1911 lends itself to excellent recoil control in 9mm. The ammunition is cheaper than .45 ACP. It's not a difficult pistol to rack that first round in 9mm.
So the answer to your question might precisely be because enough people desire an "anemic" 9mm round. Not everybody wants super-whamodyne, magic armor piercing, heat seeking, incendiary, explody bullets.
And the real beauty of it is the sheer variety out there for people to choose from. Honestly, shopping for a firearm is kind of like being a kid in the candy aisle with $10 in his hand trying to figure out how to get as much of all the kinds of candy he likes, but knowing he can't come anywhere close to getting it all.
That's funny - I love it.
As to all you "punybellum" haters - keep up the good work - there is plenty of pressure on the 9mm ammo market without you.
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That's cause it takes a while to load all those bullets in those high cap magazines.
Gladius
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Personally, I'm not interested in a 9mm 1911. Now, give me a Star Model B, or a Radom, and I'll be very happy, which is odd, because those are basically 9mm 1911's. Go figure. I'm weird that way.
Olon
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Why when the platform offers .45ACP, 10mm, 40S&W and America's answer to the punybellum the .38Super, just don't get it.
Don't have one and wouldn't buy one. That said, if I didn't reload the affordability of 9mm would be a driving factor.
JR24
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Even if you do, before things went crazy 9mm was/is still significantly cheaper to reload over 45
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RetiredUSNChief, You sir have provided the most reasonable and sensible reply to this post, my hat is off to you.
Still won't be running out to get one soon.
Still won't be running out to get one soon.
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Gladius
When I would transition new shooters from rimfire to centerfire semi-autos, I used an old Star Model B for the job. Fit most everyone's hand comfortably, was a soft shooter in terms of felt recoil and muzzle rise, and was just an all-around easy gun to shoot with. And even with those small fixed sights, capable of some very decent accuracy.
When I would transition new shooters from rimfire to centerfire semi-autos, I used an old Star Model B for the job. Fit most everyone's hand comfortably, was a soft shooter in terms of felt recoil and muzzle rise, and was just an all-around easy gun to shoot with. And even with those small fixed sights, capable of some very decent accuracy.
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JCooperfan1911
Hate to burst your Jeff Cooper bubble but the good Colonel liked to also dabble in other cartridges other than the beloved .45ACP. Take for instance the case of the 9mm. Super Cooper, in an article written by the legendary man himself!
Starting with the .38 Super case and using a customized Colt Commander as their test bed, Col. Cooper and other like minded individuals managed to get up to 1750 fps with the 90 gr. and 1600 with the 125 gr. before cases began to let loose. Switching over to cut down .223 brass instead of the .38 Super case yielded fewer blown out cases and 2000 fps for the 90 gr. and 1750 with the 125 gr,; all this in a 27 oz. pistol!
Col. Cooper summed up the 9mm. Super Cooper experiment with this:
"While it was never intended to be a combat piece, one is well advised to stand out of it's way, it rates +55 on the Hatcher Scale (the .45ACP 230 gr. FMJ is rated at 49.1), and well over "go" on the Short Form, and should prove to be a reliable fight-stopper if ever called upon to stop a fight."
So it would seem when it came to cartridges other than the .45ACP, the Colonel kept an open mind especially when it came to making something Super out of the 9mm. in a 1911!
Hate to burst your Jeff Cooper bubble but the good Colonel liked to also dabble in other cartridges other than the beloved .45ACP. Take for instance the case of the 9mm. Super Cooper, in an article written by the legendary man himself!
Starting with the .38 Super case and using a customized Colt Commander as their test bed, Col. Cooper and other like minded individuals managed to get up to 1750 fps with the 90 gr. and 1600 with the 125 gr. before cases began to let loose. Switching over to cut down .223 brass instead of the .38 Super case yielded fewer blown out cases and 2000 fps for the 90 gr. and 1750 with the 125 gr,; all this in a 27 oz. pistol!
Col. Cooper summed up the 9mm. Super Cooper experiment with this:
"While it was never intended to be a combat piece, one is well advised to stand out of it's way, it rates +55 on the Hatcher Scale (the .45ACP 230 gr. FMJ is rated at 49.1), and well over "go" on the Short Form, and should prove to be a reliable fight-stopper if ever called upon to stop a fight."
So it would seem when it came to cartridges other than the .45ACP, the Colonel kept an open mind especially when it came to making something Super out of the 9mm. in a 1911!
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Interesting fact, at least to me, maybe some others might find it interesting. The only semi-auto pistols I have chambered in 45 ACP are 1911's.
In 9x19, I have semi-auto pistols from Browning (High Power), Glock (17), S&W (M&P), H&K (P30SK), Mauser (P-08), Kimber (Micro 9), Springfield (1911), and Colt (1911).
The 1911 and the 45 ACP go together like peanut butter and jelly and I just could never bring myself to buy any other semi-auto pistol in 45 ACP.
Other cartridges, not so much but I do like about anything in a 1911.
Except for the H&K P30SK, which is my primary self defense pistol at present, I'm more likely to shoot the 9x19 1911's if that is the cartridge I want to shoot on a particular day.
In 9x19, I have semi-auto pistols from Browning (High Power), Glock (17), S&W (M&P), H&K (P30SK), Mauser (P-08), Kimber (Micro 9), Springfield (1911), and Colt (1911).
The 1911 and the 45 ACP go together like peanut butter and jelly and I just could never bring myself to buy any other semi-auto pistol in 45 ACP.
Other cartridges, not so much but I do like about anything in a 1911.
Except for the H&K P30SK, which is my primary self defense pistol at present, I'm more likely to shoot the 9x19 1911's if that is the cartridge I want to shoot on a particular day.
The original Commander was what we now call the L(light)W(eight) Commander and it's original chambering was 9mm.
I'm not quite sure how this when from a request for an explanation to a caliber war...which at some points was a bit heated and, at least, borderline rude.
Assuming that the OP wasn't purposely posting a troll thread, lets give this one a rest and move on to something else
Assuming that the OP wasn't purposely posting a troll thread, lets give this one a rest and move on to something else
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