Double check for a load 9mm

[egd]

I'm working up a load for the Hornady XTP 115 bullets I got when buying a lnl press. I'm using WSF. I searched and found one thread from 2009 and looked at the Hodgen/winchester site. The site said for jhp at 1.169, 5.2 to 5.7 gr. FMJ was 4.9 to 5.7. The old thread was 5.3 at 1.070. I plan on loading 5.3 at 1.195. does this look good for a nice practice round for uspsa type stuff?
If it matters, I shoot a PPQ 5'.

 

[au_prospector]

I plan on loading 5.3 at 1.195. does this look good for a nice practice round for uspsa type stuff?

No, not at all. Seems way too long to me. You will have chambering problems. 115 grain bullets are shorter, you will need as much bearing surface as possible in the case for retention. 1.169 is too long as well. 1.07 sounds more like it, Lyman suggests 1.09. Stick with published data for starters and you will be better off.

 

[egd]

OOPS sorry. I meant 1.095.

 

[bandw1dth]

OOPS sorry. I meant 1.095.

Now that looks more like it. When I got my 700 free 115gr XTPs for buying the LNL AP + 2 die sets I settled on 1.100"


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[Dudedog]

Old Winchester pistol manual (WSF)
115 FMJ start 4.9 Max 5.7 no OAL given
115 JHP start 5.2 Max 5.7 no OAl given

Hodgdon data
115 GR. FMJ Winchester WSF .355" 1.169" 4.9 1060 24,200 PSI 5.7 1195 31,900 PSI

XTPs are a different shape and will need to be shorter.
1.10 worked for me. (got mine with my LNL as well)

 

[hdwhit]

I settled on 1.100"

Thanks.

 

[SSGCharlie]

Hornady 9th edition for 115 XTP is 1.075" C.O.L.



SSGCharlie

 

[Sunray]

You need to work up the load, not just pick one.
1.169" is the max 9mm OAL from SAAMI. 1.195" is far too long. 1.100" is too short. Mind you, the absolute minimum is 1.000". Really saves a lot of mucking around using the SAAMI max length given in your manual regardless of the bullet weight or who's data you use.
It's really important to have and use a manual though. Lyman being your friend.
"...Old Winchester pistol manual..." Is the same as the current Hodgdon data. Very likely hasn't been tested since your Winchester manual was published.

 

[Mike44]

COL from Hornady

When I got my free 9MM 115 gr XTPs from Hornady I sent them an email for the correct COL and they responded 1.075". I used 1.075" and they worked perfectly in a Glock G19 and S&W Shield. In addition to good reloading manuals, I have found that many manufacturers including Hornady and Hodgden respond quickly to email requests for useage information.

 

[egd]

Sunray, thanks for the reply, but did you read through the thread, mainly post #3, or just read the op and then answer?

I don't have a Hornady manual and couldn't find a way to see the contents online. This is a one time thing just to use up these bullets. I don't plan on buying more as I use 124 gr RMR bullets for everything. I have other manuals, just not that one.

 

[LiveLife]

9mm ... Hornady XTP 115 ... WSF ... Hodgdon site ... JHP at 1.169, 5.2 to 5.7 gr.

I plan on loading 5.3 at 1.095" ... practice uspsa ... PPQ 5"

For 125 PF load for USPSA, you will need 1087 fps (1130 fps for 130 PF). Since start charge of 5.2 gr will produce 1095 fps from 4" barrel with 1.169", you should get higher velocities (probably over 1100 fps) from your 5" barrel using 5.2 gr and shorter 1.095" and I would use 5.2 gr as start charge.

Due to shorter OAL, I think 5.2 gr should reliably cycle the slide and extract/eject spent cases.

You can always load both charges and see which one produces smaller groups.

 

[GooseGestapo]

That 115gr XTP over 5.2gr WSF @1.10" is a "winner".
I won the NRA S.A. Service Semi-Auto match at the Nationals, and several regionals using it in my S&W Performance Ctr 9mm 5906 PC and PPC-9's.
The Army AMU was also using that load circa 1998-1999 as loaded by Atlanta Arms (Starline brass), which is who I got it from. It gets 1,175fps from 4"bbl, and 1,220 from 6" bbl.

Precision Delta "back in the day" (circa 1990's) used 5.0 Win231 (HP38 according to the 110lb barrels I saw) with Remington 115gr, but switched to 115gr XTP in early 2000's. Their reloaded 115's were seated to 1.125", but "new" was 1.10". Anderson Cart. Used WSF at 5.3gr with 115gr and 4.4gr with 147, also Hornady bullets and Starline brass.

WSF is very good, However I've switched to LongShot because it's superior with cast bullets.

 

[egd]

Yes I'm really liking WSF too. My favorite is/was 231/hp38, but now I'm leaning toward WSF.

OH, after loading a few my oal is turning out to be closer to 1.100. I still have difficulty setting oal on this lnl press. I have to run a few before I seem to get any consistency. It needs a full plate of shells to get a good reading.

 

[Dudedog]

I really like WSF in 9mm, favorite powder for 124s around 1030-1050ish. (Universal is a close second)
Works well at heavier charges also. Good stuff IMO.

Of course it slows down the reloading process using the LNL but I like to do a quick clean, deprime/resize and expand then do a full clean on the cases.
(cases from my outdoor range tend to have sand / grit etc in them)
I then prime off press. I can watch football or whatever and prime cases- Lee hand primer. (wearing safety glasses of course)
That saves having to deal with filling primer tubes and any on press priming issues when loading. I am not saying my way is the best way, just that it works for me.
I think eliminating the resizing results is a little less flex.
This will give you more consistent OALs and the cost of reloading speed if they are off enough to cause you concern,
otherwise at start charge your probably safe with .02 short of 1.10.
In my testing with weighed charges of one powder .02 shorter made about 35 fps difference. (but of course that only applies to my test load in my gun etc.)

I am sure 1.075 would work but in my guns there was no need to go that short so I didn't.
Shot some Xtreme plated 115s with 5.2gr WSF over the weekend (Thanks Potatohead for the bullets) and they shot well.

My sequence for the LNL
First pass
Station
1 - Resize deprime using my Lee die. (It seems to size tighter than the Hornady one I have)
3 - Flare Lee at the moment may be Lyman in the future. (don't care for the Hornady PTX that much, I have heard the RCBS PTX works better but don't know)
Second Pass (feeding primed cases by hand, no case feeder)
Station
1 - powder drop
2 - powder check
3 - bullet feed die
4 - crimp
5 - Lee FCD used lightly (I like it, some hate it, and yes I can and do load without them)

I have some XTPS left so I can load and chrono 5.2gr WSF XTP 115 @ 1.10 if you would like. (don't recall if you have a chrono)
Sounds like 1.10 is what works for you with XTPs as well.
Hope you enjoy them and the press.

Side notes:
I ended up buying a powder check die, wish I would have bought it to start with.
Hornady bullet feed die and the tubes work well for me in 9mm with RMR bullets and are worth the money IMO

 

[egd]

Due to reading previous threads about the lnl and posts from, I believe, Walkalong and maybe 9mmepiphany, I started lightly lubing my cases in a plastic bag and it has helped make the reloading go easier. I'm using a mix of Hornady and Lee dies also, along with the fcd.

 

[bandw1dth]

I also have taken to using lube with my handgun cases as well. Makes the whole press run so much smoother. When I load my range brass pickups I always use the Lee FCD. Absolutely love it. I can also agree with Dudedog regarding the Hornady PTX. Not a fan of it. As I'm also using the Hornady bullet drop die and tubes, the only way I could get the bullets from tipping when the shell plate indexes was to use the .358 sized PTX. Just recently heard that Rick from MR BulletFeeder has come out with a PTX specifically for the LNL. I think I'm gonna end up picking it up here soon and giving that a shot. Pricing was around $35 if I remember correctly.


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[Dudedog]

My quick clean is a dry tumble in corn cob with Flitz which seems to provide some lubrication as well.
I actually run the case through the Frankford media separator first to get rid of the sand/grit, then tumble for about 1/2 hour.

Full clean is a wet tumble using wash and wax+ citric acid, for me the dish washing soap left the cases to clean.

I had fun with not enough flare and the bullet would flip upside down when the press indexed.
Just falling off would be too easy, they had to go to the effort to invert
Now of course if I was trying to get it to happen to show someone......

If your interested you can find the RCBS PTX at Midway by searching
"Case Activated Linkage Kit Pistol Powder Expander" Thanks to GW Staar for the magic words to find it on Midways site, it was hiding from me.
I would have given it a try (and may still next time I order from Midway) but I had already ordered the Lyman M die.
The RCBS PTX runs around $11