Double taps and triple taps fascinate me when the mechanics are performed correctly. Is it much harder to do double taps on DA/SA platforms as opposed to striker fire, DAO or SAO pistols? My gun club has a "3 second" rule between firing shots so I cannot perform double taps at my club. Anyone that has done this with a DA/SA pistol please chime in.
Double taps DA/SA platforms.
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David E
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There are those that advocate placing the trigger in the center of the first joint, then immediately following the first shot, moving the trigger finger so the trigger is centered on the pad.
There is no need to do that and it slows you down. I won quite a few matches shooting my S&W 645 by not changing my trigger finger placement. This included winning the "Walk-Off" where you and another guy walked toward two steel targets. At a random signal, draw, fire and knock yours down first. This was "heads up," where I pitted my 645 (starting hammer down) and my Davis Omega holster against the cocked and locked raceguns from their speed rigs. I won it often enough that others thought that I "HAD to be starting off with a cocked gun.". Doing that had never crossed my mind, but it apparently made them feel better to think so.
To be accurate, it takes more practice than the striker fired guns, but it's not especially difficult to master.
There is no need to do that and it slows you down. I won quite a few matches shooting my S&W 645 by not changing my trigger finger placement. This included winning the "Walk-Off" where you and another guy walked toward two steel targets. At a random signal, draw, fire and knock yours down first. This was "heads up," where I pitted my 645 (starting hammer down) and my Davis Omega holster against the cocked and locked raceguns from their speed rigs. I won it often enough that others thought that I "HAD to be starting off with a cocked gun.". Doing that had never crossed my mind, but it apparently made them feel better to think so.
To be accurate, it takes more practice than the striker fired guns, but it's not especially difficult to master.
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Jim Watson
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It can be learned. E. Langdon shot Berettas and Sig-Sauers in IDPA and wrote an article "Fear Not The Double Action Shot."
http://www.craigcentral.com/fearnot.htm
Then it is not a big gearshift to put in the second shot single action.
I can do it better with a CZ75 than Beretta, Sig, or S&W; but that is just hand size and personal preference.
A 3 second rule is a real drag. Why, even NRA Rapid Fire on a bullseye is 5 shots in 10 seconds. Look around for an IDPA or IPSC/USPSA club where you can shoot as fast as you like.
http://www.craigcentral.com/fearnot.htm
Then it is not a big gearshift to put in the second shot single action.
I can do it better with a CZ75 than Beretta, Sig, or S&W; but that is just hand size and personal preference.
A 3 second rule is a real drag. Why, even NRA Rapid Fire on a bullseye is 5 shots in 10 seconds. Look around for an IDPA or IPSC/USPSA club where you can shoot as fast as you like.
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Just follow through and learn where your trigger resets. When it resets simply press again.
Follow through is where you recover from the shot you just fired and prepare to immediately fire another shot as soon as the front sight returns to the aim point. You should follow through after every shot is fired, even if you're intentially firing single shots.
Once you learn where your trigger resets then doubletaps are easier to accomplish, however you don't wait for the front sight to return to the aim point before you press the trigger again (that would be a controlled pair instead of a doubletap). The second shot is fired while the gun is still in recoil from the first shot.
Follow through is where you recover from the shot you just fired and prepare to immediately fire another shot as soon as the front sight returns to the aim point. You should follow through after every shot is fired, even if you're intentially firing single shots.
Once you learn where your trigger resets then doubletaps are easier to accomplish, however you don't wait for the front sight to return to the aim point before you press the trigger again (that would be a controlled pair instead of a doubletap). The second shot is fired while the gun is still in recoil from the first shot.
jad0110
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Many won't find it too difficult to achieve with a DA/SA platform, though personally I do much better with straight DA or SA, not DA/SA. I've never really done all that well with the transition, sort of a mental hang up with me.
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BCRider
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Well, first off I'd start shopping for another club. One that embraces the handgun shooting disciplines and encourages the handgun competition aspects. Or stand for the executive on the promise that you'll change that silly rule.
3 seconds between shots is fine for precision bullseye shooting but it's totally useless for any sort of competitive sport shooting practice. Or, for that matter, for any sort of realistic home or self defense practicing.
And at least half the fun of shooting handguns is in such matches be they local club events or more serious level regional IPSC, IDPA or USPSA matches.
Anyway back to the question. I don't have any trouble shooting my revolvers using DA only in IDPA events that require quick double taps to the targets. It's all about that old story of "practicing"..... not that you'll get a chance at the club you're in currently.
3 seconds between shots is fine for precision bullseye shooting but it's totally useless for any sort of competitive sport shooting practice. Or, for that matter, for any sort of realistic home or self defense practicing.
And at least half the fun of shooting handguns is in such matches be they local club events or more serious level regional IPSC, IDPA or USPSA matches.
Anyway back to the question. I don't have any trouble shooting my revolvers using DA only in IDPA events that require quick double taps to the targets. It's all about that old story of "practicing"..... not that you'll get a chance at the club you're in currently.
MJ_ATL
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It's all what you're used to and trained on. I shoot Sigs and have for years. I don't even think about the transiton - it just happens. One thing to do is make sure you have good strength in you hands so you're not straining on the DA shot.
+1 on finding another club/range. Running "Bill Drills" at the end of my practice sessions has been VERY helpful.
+1 on finding another club/range. Running "Bill Drills" at the end of my practice sessions has been VERY helpful.
NMGonzo
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I had the range officer at my range ask me what was wrong with my n frame revolver.
"Nothing" I answered "I can double tap with it'
"Nothing" I answered "I can double tap with it'
As long as the gun fits your hand well and the first DA trigger pull is smooth and not too heavy it is not a problem. You have to get used to the transition from DA to SA. But it's a training issue and nothing else. The guys that seem to have the most problems making the trasition are the folks that for the most part have only shot 1911's. They are used to one light, short trigger pull. I started off shooting DAO revolvers. I think this really helped me. After a bit of work with the DA/SA system you won't even notice the transition.
Some of the early DA/SA systems like the Walther PP/PPK's, and P38's had really heavy DA trigger pulls. It did cause some folks trouble. But my Sigs triggers are smmoth as silk in DA and SA modes. I think allot of the negatives also came from folks exposed to some pretty crappy guns with heavy, gritty DA trigger pulls. I've shot a few of these. They would turn you off to the DA/Sa guns if they were the only ones you shot. But SIGS, Beretta's, and other quality DA/SA guns are usually easy to make the switch to.
Some of the early DA/SA systems like the Walther PP/PPK's, and P38's had really heavy DA trigger pulls. It did cause some folks trouble. But my Sigs triggers are smmoth as silk in DA and SA modes. I think allot of the negatives also came from folks exposed to some pretty crappy guns with heavy, gritty DA trigger pulls. I've shot a few of these. They would turn you off to the DA/Sa guns if they were the only ones you shot. But SIGS, Beretta's, and other quality DA/SA guns are usually easy to make the switch to.
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I have no problem shooting double taps with my 5906 and 6906, just smooth pull through the DA and a tap on the single produces a a heat 1-2 hole punch right next to each other for me, most times.
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