DSA SA58 FAL anyone?
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Bwana John
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One of the cool things about FAL's are their ability to be changed to fit your own whims.
I like SAW grips, 18" barrels, humpback stocks, sand-cut bolts and carriers, Para rear sights, semi-only selectors, extended mag releases, no carry handle, short combo device flash suppressor, folding charging handles, metric pattern mags and lower, and OD furniture.
Many folks try to recreate a single model (ie Stg-58, G-1, R-1, L1A1, 50.00, ect) but I like taking the the parts that fit me best.
I like SAW grips, 18" barrels, humpback stocks, sand-cut bolts and carriers, Para rear sights, semi-only selectors, extended mag releases, no carry handle, short combo device flash suppressor, folding charging handles, metric pattern mags and lower, and OD furniture.
Many folks try to recreate a single model (ie Stg-58, G-1, R-1, L1A1, 50.00, ect) but I like taking the the parts that fit me best.
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I love Fal's, I'm holding off on ordering one from DSA, but damn I don't know how much longer that I'll be able to. 
dmancornell
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I just ordered one from DSA. 4-5 month wait.
Went with a 18" with folding stock and a scope mount with the ACOG cut. The .308 ACOG is backordered too.
Went with a 18" with folding stock and a scope mount with the ACOG cut. The .308 ACOG is backordered too.
IMO...
1 all of the FAL's i have owned [two SA 48's, one FN, one L1A1, one steyr parts rifle] liked 147/150 grain ammo better than heavier match offerings. they all seemed to prefer federal AE308 [american eagle] over other flavors i tried in them.
2 learn to use the grenade firing setting. eliminates the need to change gas settings when trying different ammo for accuracy.
3 i feel a 1x4 with heavy duplex reticle near ideal for them. the heavy cross hair is an impediment to accuracy, but a big plus in low light conditions. the illuminated reticles are a double edged sword. in marginal light with a barely visible target, your pupil will close due to the extra light, and you'll loose the target. as noted by another poster, it's not a target grade rifle. but i have had one that would shoot 5 rounds into nearly MOA so i feel glass a worthwhile accessory. get one with a low # as close to a true one power as possible, and learn to shoot it with both eyes open. much faster target acquisition. there will be time to go 4x for further targets. adjust the iron sights before installing glass, and get rings that will be quickly/easily removed in the field in case the glass goes T.U. at exactly the wrong time. the DSA mount is rock solid, but a pain in the crevice for cleaning operations, yet another double edged sword.
4 handle/fire other's rifles to find out what mods you may want. what you like may be different from them. that's why there are SO MANY variations out there. fr'instance i like them without the carry handle. as such, i would prefer the non-cut receiver you have for extra receiver rigidity.
5 as noted above, forget the bbl mount bipod. accuracy WILL suffer from using them.
6 this rifle will work with ball ammo for the most dangerous species out to about 600yds, where it starts running out of steam pretty fast. memorize your trajectory/hold over to AT least that range if you install a non-BDC optic.
7 milsurp 7.62 is quite a bit hotter than SAAMI .308 winch. gas settings WILL need adjusting when switching between the two.
8 congrats, you picked THE battle rifle from many other very good offerings.
gunnie
1 all of the FAL's i have owned [two SA 48's, one FN, one L1A1, one steyr parts rifle] liked 147/150 grain ammo better than heavier match offerings. they all seemed to prefer federal AE308 [american eagle] over other flavors i tried in them.
2 learn to use the grenade firing setting. eliminates the need to change gas settings when trying different ammo for accuracy.
3 i feel a 1x4 with heavy duplex reticle near ideal for them. the heavy cross hair is an impediment to accuracy, but a big plus in low light conditions. the illuminated reticles are a double edged sword. in marginal light with a barely visible target, your pupil will close due to the extra light, and you'll loose the target. as noted by another poster, it's not a target grade rifle. but i have had one that would shoot 5 rounds into nearly MOA so i feel glass a worthwhile accessory. get one with a low # as close to a true one power as possible, and learn to shoot it with both eyes open. much faster target acquisition. there will be time to go 4x for further targets. adjust the iron sights before installing glass, and get rings that will be quickly/easily removed in the field in case the glass goes T.U. at exactly the wrong time. the DSA mount is rock solid, but a pain in the crevice for cleaning operations, yet another double edged sword.
4 handle/fire other's rifles to find out what mods you may want. what you like may be different from them. that's why there are SO MANY variations out there. fr'instance i like them without the carry handle. as such, i would prefer the non-cut receiver you have for extra receiver rigidity.
5 as noted above, forget the bbl mount bipod. accuracy WILL suffer from using them.
6 this rifle will work with ball ammo for the most dangerous species out to about 600yds, where it starts running out of steam pretty fast. memorize your trajectory/hold over to AT least that range if you install a non-BDC optic.
7 milsurp 7.62 is quite a bit hotter than SAAMI .308 winch. gas settings WILL need adjusting when switching between the two.
8 congrats, you picked THE battle rifle from many other very good offerings.
gunnie
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Dsa fal 308
can anyone show me a picture of the rifle broke open? i'm trying to make a cleaning rod guide but know nothing about the FAL
can anyone show me a picture of the rifle broke open? i'm trying to make a cleaning rod guide but know nothing about the FAL
iamkris
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Weird...it's almost like I just googled "FAL broken open" and all these links appeared
Go down a few pages at the attached link and there are pretty good pics of the rifle being field stripped.
http://www.surplusrifle.com/fal/rifle/pdf/FALrifle.pdf
ny32182
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Eh? I think it is the opposite. .308 is supposed to be rated to higher pressure than 7.62, and the rule goes that .308 chambered weapons are safe to fire either, while 7.62 chambers can be potentially borderline dangerous with .308 if everything stacks the wrong way (more headspace in 7.62 chamber coupled with higher pressure .308/potentially using thinner .308 brass with a lot of firings on it).
I agree the gas will need to be adjusted, but it will need to get turned up when switching to 7.62.
Slvr Surfr
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My STG-58 Para. DSA Top rail, and quad rail. Saw grip and single point sling. The DSA stuff is built to break down doors.
iamkris
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I had my SA58 Para set up exactly like yours but finally took the quad rail off. It looked great but MAN did it make a heavy rifle even heavier. I've resigned myself to keep the less-cool-but-much-lighter Belgian poly furniture on it. The only thing I have bolted on the forearm was a weapons light so I figured I didn't need all those rails anyway. Yours looks great though.
I'd like to know more about why no Wolf also.
I spoke with someone from DSA several days ago and he too told me that WOLF was verbotten.
I don't have any Wolf .308, but it would sure be nice to have a rifle that would shoot it like the AK.
Oh, and great pics! Keep the FAL pics coming!!!
I spoke with someone from DSA several days ago and he too told me that WOLF was verbotten.
I don't have any Wolf .308, but it would sure be nice to have a rifle that would shoot it like the AK.
Oh, and great pics! Keep the FAL pics coming!!!
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ny32182
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I've never shot any Wolf .308, but back in the day when I spent more time on FALfiles, there were essentially, regular reports of case ruptures near the casehead/minor KBs, etc. Apparently it was either tremendously inconsistent as far as the charges, or the .308 size steel case was not elastic enough to hold up in a 7.62 chamber... I never figured out what the exact problem was, but I read enough reports that were HIGHLY likely to be ammo issues to make me steer completely clear of it. And this is coming from someone who has fired multi-thousand rounds of Wolf 762x39, and some .223, 9mm, in my weapons and others with no issues. I have no fundamental problem with Wolf in general, but would not shoot the .308 in any rifle, period.
Need more FAL pics and tips!!!
Thanks for the feedback. I wouldn't do anything to jeopardize safety OR my new DSA.
I have an XCR-L (.223) by Robinson Arms. A bunch of the guys shoot Wolf .223 in their XCRs with no apparent problems, but I only shoot Wolf/steel cased 7.62 X 39 in my AKs.
Come on guys! Post up those FAL pics and experiences!
Thanks for the feedback. I wouldn't do anything to jeopardize safety OR my new DSA.
I have an XCR-L (.223) by Robinson Arms. A bunch of the guys shoot Wolf .223 in their XCRs with no apparent problems, but I only shoot Wolf/steel cased 7.62 X 39 in my AKs.
Come on guys! Post up those FAL pics and experiences!
ny32182
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Here are the rest of my FAL pics (you will notice I'm not a pro photographer):
This is the muzzle device I have on them. I think it might be the "correct" one for a carbine, but not a rifle. I would like to replace this one with the Belgian/Austrian, etc, correct device at some point; I think whatever comes stock on the SA58 now is what I want.
Hooded rear sight; I use this on the rifle and I like it better than the standard rear sight. I tried one on the carbine, but evidently it was the wrong height, because I couldn't get it to adjust right even when trying different height fronts:
Some people say you can't hit the broadside of a barn with a FAL... I don't necessarily agree. I haven't handloaded for the FAL yet either; this is iron sights:
STG58-C (16.25") prior to removing the handguards and bipod. Only reason you would want either of those things is if you are doing a straight mil clone; other than that they are the worst:
Current carbine config, except for rear sight. I might change a couple things around here eventually.
This is the muzzle device I have on them. I think it might be the "correct" one for a carbine, but not a rifle. I would like to replace this one with the Belgian/Austrian, etc, correct device at some point; I think whatever comes stock on the SA58 now is what I want.
Hooded rear sight; I use this on the rifle and I like it better than the standard rear sight. I tried one on the carbine, but evidently it was the wrong height, because I couldn't get it to adjust right even when trying different height fronts:
Some people say you can't hit the broadside of a barn with a FAL... I don't necessarily agree. I haven't handloaded for the FAL yet either; this is iron sights:
STG58-C (16.25") prior to removing the handguards and bipod. Only reason you would want either of those things is if you are doing a straight mil clone; other than that they are the worst:
Current carbine config, except for rear sight. I might change a couple things around here eventually.
I really like my DSA, have had it for some time.
I mounted a super large scope (beacause it was available & looked cool to me) on a hard rail w/ the scope base being "quick release". W/ the need for high rise mounts I was able to leave the iron sights in place.
I live in NV where we shoot rabbits/rats at open ranges from 200-800 yds. The scope has worked well for me due to large FOV. The DSA has always performed well w/ military grade or w/ Nossler 168gr HPBT.
here she is
I mounted a super large scope (beacause it was available & looked cool to me) on a hard rail w/ the scope base being "quick release". W/ the need for high rise mounts I was able to leave the iron sights in place.
I live in NV where we shoot rabbits/rats at open ranges from 200-800 yds. The scope has worked well for me due to large FOV. The DSA has always performed well w/ military grade or w/ Nossler 168gr HPBT.
here she is
LeeBuilt said:
I couldn't shoot a rifle set up like that ... the scope sits way too high and too far back. That scope must have 1" of eye relief or you're some kind of dwarf! I have a 3.5-10x sitting in a GG&G QD mount and even that is too much power for this platform. The scope has the standard Leupold eye relief of 3.4" (3.5X) to 4.7" (10X) and sit's well forward of the rear sight. Once I have the trigger "fixed" and a load worked up, the scope is either coming off completely or will be replaced with a Leupold 1.5-5X which for me is the perfect optic for this platform.
LeeBuilt said:
And you use your FAL for that?
Here's my FAL and scope. This is one of the softest shooting .308 rifles on the planet. I can blast away with my nose indexed up against the rear sight. If only they shipped with decent triggers.
MTMilitiaman
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Nice rifles guys!
Can anyone tell me what a DSA Para FAL is running these days? Anyone have experience with their ambi safety or speed trigger?
Can anyone tell me what a DSA Para FAL is running these days? Anyone have experience with their ambi safety or speed trigger?
Moose458
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DSA STG58, rail cover works great.
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Agree. Makes it real unwieldy and hard to get into action. To much weight out front. The picatinny dust cover is probably the best bolt on accessory IMO.
I'm with Bwana John. I like to pick the parts that suit me best and sell all the rest.
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