Dubious Gunshop Purchases.

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Went to a local shop today searching for the ever elusive in my budget priced Finn Nagant and got to witness an interesting conversation.

A buyer comes in and wants a Jennings type .380 pistol for $95.00. The proceeds to put it on layaway and the buyer states he needs 6 of them ordered. The owner says no problem, but he needs a bit of a larger deposit. Other than that he had no problems with the transaction. He tells the guy to come back on a certain date to pick them up.

Needless to say it made goosebumps rise on my skin when I heard the quantity.

I know business is all about making money, but come on....there is a point where you have to stop and think why. A guy wants 6 indentical guns. Obviously he isn't a collector of weapons and he doesn't need 6 of them so he can have spares.

Just curious, anyone here witness the same thing from dealers, or as a dealer would you complete the transaction?

Good SHooting
RED
 
Maybe he is going to resell them. Maybe he wants to arm all the adults in his family. Maybe he is making a wall hanging. Who cares?
Goosebumps?
:rolleyes:
We are still in the United States, right?

Let him buy a couple hundred! It's his right.
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Maybe he's investing for when they have one of those gun buyback things. Buy six jennings @ $95 each, wait for a $150 gun buyback. Make $330.
 
Hmmm...buys six Jennings at a go? Maybe he's applying the beer can principle to them. Shoot one empty, crush it against forehead, toss it away and repeat.
 
I know people put several of the same type gun in different places
around their place of business.

So whan the bad guy comes knocking you have a familiar weapon
at what ever area you are in and possible multiples if you run out of ammo.


For those of you who read American Handgunner, there is a great story in there about this method used to great success to thwart a jewelry store robbery.

Check it out
 
I read a Mas Ayoob story in a gun magazine where a jewelry store owner had bought like 10 snubbie revolvers to keep under his case at different intervals. Maybe it was something like that.:confused:
 
I know people put several of the same type gun in different places
around their place of business.
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that's what I was thinking, except at home. keep one gun in the bedroom, one in the bathroom, kitchen, living area, etc. so that you've got a familiar gun with you no matter where you are when something happens.
 
I am thinking that there is a rule that if you buy more than 2 guns @ the same place the gunstore owner is suppose to notify the atf?

Who would want 1 much less 6 of a "Jennings type"? :what:
 
The rule is 2 or more handguns within 5 business days gets a little love note sent to the ATF. I never remember the form number, perhaps someone who works in a gun shop can chime in with it.
 
Yeah, strange; so what????

If the deal goes down and nics is ok, BFD. Not your concern.;)
 
From the FAQ at ATF Online:


If you sell more than one handgun to any nonlicensee during a period of 5 consecutive business days, the sale must be reported on ATF Form 3310.4, Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers, and forwarded to the ATF office specified on the form no later than the close of business on the day the second handgun was sold. A copy of the form must also be sent to the state police or the local law enforcement agency where the sale occurred. A copy must also be kept in the records of the dealer. [18 U. S. C. 923( g)( 3), 27 CFR 178.126a]
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Dang I never knew about the 2 handgun thing.

I've never had them say anything to me and I doubt they even remembered that I bought 2 or more.

Is this atf form something that is neglected often?
 
It better not be neglected. If your the FFL and you enter the data in your bound book, at the next inspection they'll (ATF) want to see the paperwork. Multiple sales to the same person in less than 5 days, yes sir Mr. BATF, I got my copy of the 3310 right here!
 
At least in FL you CAN buy more than one handgun in less than five days. Here in SC we have to wait 30 days between handgun purchases. Apparently it makes sense because the only people that NEED to buy more than that are obviously criminals :rolleyes:
 
I have no problem with anyone else's gun-buying habits, or even who else is carrying a gun -- as long as they don't point it at me.

TD
 
I think the dealer should have asked if he was buying guns for someone else. Straw sales are illegal.
And if I were a dealer I certainly wouldn't buy/sale Jennings, Phoenix, or any Ring-Of-Fire guns. Shame on that dealer! Shame, Shame, Shame (in my best Gomer Pile voice ;-)
And if he did decide to sell to the man he should have sold him some cheap .38 snubbies. At least they would work and not be dangerous to the shooter, and would probably be more accurate.

The dealer did wrong in any case the way I see it. I wouldn't buy a gun from him.
 
samualt,

I think the dealer should have asked if he was buying guns for someone else. Straw sales are illegal.
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If he was the actual purchaser, it wasn't a straw purchase. You most certainly can buy guns to give as gifts, as long as the recipient is legal to recieve the gun. If six guys who weren't legal to buy gave him the money, then it's a straw purchase.

I know of a guy who bought el cheapo pistols every year to give as Christmas gifts to his employees; one year they got Helwans, the next year Hi-Points, the year after that it was those cheesy little FMJ derringers. Beats heck out of a fruitcake, if you ask me. ;)
 
know of a guy who bought el cheapo pistols every year to give as Christmas gifts to his employees; one year they got Helwans, the next year Hi-Points, the year after that it was those cheesy little FMJ derringers. Beats heck out of a fruitcake, if you ask me.
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Helwans I can see but as toi the rest...gimme fruitcakes...

I assume that the dealer KNEW what this guy was doing..

WildhohohoAlaska
 
I have wanted for several years to buy the exact same gun (one for me one for each of my brothers) to give as a christmas gift. I would go with something cheap yet reliable like a makorov or a Kel-Tec. I would want each one to have the same special engraving. I just haven't came up with the right engraving. Let alone the $$ for six guns that I am going to give away:D
 
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