DUI Checkpoint caught on film

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is that a no?

to my question about him being pulled outa the car? if he wanted to be the next rosa parks he had a great opportunity.

i do wish i could actually hear what was said i find the young heros credibility limited at best
 
More jibberish from you? What a suprise. I find your credibility nil at best.

He was pulled from the car, maybe you need to learn the definition. Maybe we need to take a poll of the education of the people taking the cops side. Basic english here professor, does that mean they physically grabbed him? Not to someone that actually speaks english.

pull

10. to withdraw or remove: to pull an ineffective pitcher.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pull
 
its me missing something again

i saw/heard the cop ask him to get out and give instructions about leaving it running. i then saw the young man get out. my definition of pulled outa a car would mean they put their hands on him and almost without exception comes with the chrome bracelets.and a rid ein the back of the cop car. your definition is apparently different than mine. or these

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
pull /pʊl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pool] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object) 1. to draw or haul toward oneself or itself, in a particular direction, or into a particular position: to pull a sled up a hill.
2. to draw or tug at with force.
3. to rend or tear: to pull a cloth to pieces.
4. to draw or pluck away from a place of growth, attachment, etc.: to pull a tooth; to pull weeds.
5. to strip of feathers, hair, etc., as a bird or hide.
6. to draw out (as a knife or gun) for ready use (usually fol. by on): Do you know what to do when someone pulls a knife on you?
7. Informal. to perform successfully (often fol. by off): They pulled a spectacular coup.
8. Informal. to carry out (esp. something deceitful or illegal): Police believe the men pulled all three robberies. What kind of trick did she pull this time?
9. to put on or affect: He pulled a long face when I reprimanded him.
10. to withdraw or remove: to pull an ineffective pitcher.
11. to attract or win: to pull many votes in the industrial areas.
12. to bring (a horse) to a stand by pulling on the reins.
13. Printing, Graphics. to take (an impression or proof) from type, a cut or plate, etc.: to pull a print.
14. to be provided with or rowed with (a certain number of oars): This boat pulls 12 oars.
15. to propel by rowing, as a boat.
16. to strain (a muscle, ligament, or tendon).
17. Military. to be assigned (a specific task or duty): I pulled guard duty our first night in port.
18. to hold in or check (a racehorse), esp. so as to prevent from winning.
19. Sports. to hit (a ball) so that it travels in a direction opposite to the side from which it was struck, as when a right-handed batter hits into left field.
–verb (used without object) 20. to exert a drawing, tugging, or hauling force (often fol. by at).
21. to inhale through a pipe, cigarette, etc.
22. to become or come as specified, by being pulled: This rope will pull.
23. to row.
24. to proceed by rowing.
25. (of an advertisement) a. to have effectiveness, as specified: The ad pulled badly.
b. to be effective: That spot announcement really pulled!

–noun 26. the act of pulling or drawing.
27. force used in pulling; pulling power.
28. a drawing in of smoke or a liquid through the mouth: He took a long, thoughtful pull on his pipe; I took a pull from the scout's canteen.
29. Informal. influence, as with persons able to grant favors.
30. a part or thing to be pulled; a handle or the like: to replace the pulls on a chest of drawers.
31. a spell, or turn, at rowing.
32. a stroke of an oar.
33. Informal. a pulled muscle: He missed a week's work with a groin pull.
34. a pulling of the ball, as in baseball or golf.
35. Informal. the ability to attract; drawing power.
36. Informal. an advantage over another or others.
—Verb phrases37. pull away, a. to move or draw back or away; withdraw.
b. to free oneself with force: He tried to pull away from his opponent's powerful grip.
c. to move or start to move ahead: The car pulled away into traffic. The faster runners began to pull away from the others.

38. pull down, a. to draw downward: to pull a shade down.
b. to demolish; wreck.
c. to lower; reduce.
d. Informal. to receive as a salary; earn: It wasn't long before he was pulling down more than fifty thousand a year.

39. pull for, to support actively; encourage: They were pulling for the Republican candidate.
40. pull in, a. to reach a place; arrive: The train pulled in early.
b. to tighten; curb: to pull in the reins.
c. Informal. to arrest (someone): The police pulled her in for questioning.

41. pull off, Informal. to perform successfully, esp. something requiring courage, daring, or shrewdness: We'll be rich if we can pull the deal off.
42. pull out, a. to leave; depart: The ship pulled out of the harbor.
b. to abandon abruptly: to pull out of an agreement.

43. pull over, to direct one's automobile or other vehicle to the curb; move out of a line of traffic: The police officer told the driver to pull over.
44. pull through, to come safely through (a crisis, illness, etc.); survive: The patient eventually pulled through after having had a close brush with death.
45. pull up, a. to bring or come to a halt.
b. to bring or draw closer.
c. to root up; pull out: She pulled up all the crab grass in the lawn.
 
Out of curiosity how easy would it be for some concerned citizens to notice a check point and a few blocks prior to it stand with some free speech displays warning motorists that there was a checkpoint straight ahead? What possible problems might one encounter? :evil:
 
soybomb

thats a good one could they call it obstruction?
weren't there some cases where folks wee busted for flashing lights to warn about speed traps? and if i remember right a guy did it with a sign and got locked up. i don't remember outcome it was quite a while ago
 
You must be kidding????? If you can read you will see that I POSTED MINE FROM THERE. Can you not see that the number 10 you posted is the one I posted? I guess reading is not your strong suit either. The word pull can mean any of those and does not auromatically mean they grabbed hold of him, you just have to learn more than one definition. YOUR definition means absolutely nothing and it says NOWHERE there that pull means they definitely put their hands on him nowhere does it say anything about chrome bracelets and a ride in the back of the cop car. LMFAO, thanks for proving my point.
 
shucks

even using number 10 did they withdraw him? or remove him? how? the young man had the option of saying no. then they woulda probably removed him.... but we'll never know. he did the equivalent of voluntarily allowing a search at the side of the road. hey but if that is your definition of pulled i always heard english is an evolving language. we just need to get the dictionary to add "asked to and complied "
 
It's not my definition of pulled, it's always been there. Can you not read it???? They told him to get out of the car and it's the same definition as a pitcher being pulled from a game by telling him to leave. It's the same, get over it and it's nothing new.

He also did not have the option of not getting out of his car, he was told to get out and had to comply. Do you REALLY think someone told to get out of their car has a choice??? They do not and I think even you are smart enough to know that. I think cassandra must be on daddy's computer.
 
HioProX:

I couldn't care less what "old folks" think on the matter as frankly those "old folks" are the people directly responsible for things being as screwed up as they are today. They're the ones who said "Yes sir Mr. President!" to every one of the career criminals from FDR to Shrub regarding every violation of our rights that comes down the pike. So tell me... why should I care what fascists in denial think?

I never knew that Franklin Delano Roosevelt and every President of the United States who succeeded him was a career criminal. This information interests me greatly. It is not in any of the history books I've read. Who is "Shrub," by the way? Have the fascists in denial elected a President without my noticing it or are you merely being disrespectful of my country and its government?

It also escaped my notice that all old people were fascists in denial. I knew many people who attained great age after fighting fascism and never even considered the possibility that they had themselves become fascists. I am having dinner with a few old people this weekend and I'll be sure to ask them though. If they deny it I won't believe it. Why should I care what they think, right? The only thoughts we should care about are our own or those of others who think the way we think.

Please don't be offended but your statements make me curious: are you a fascist? According to your profile you are 32 years old. That's "old" to people of younger ages without much maturity or perspective. If you are not a fascist yet, at what age will you become one? Is there some standard age at which people are suddenly transformed into fascists in denial or does it sort of happen gradually? Is it caused by a virus, do you think, or could it be a consequence of bringing into the world and raising intemperate, smartmouth, ignorant louts who take pleasure in insulting their elders and betters. Could it be genetically transmitted, do you think, do you think?
 
he had the option

of staying in the car. then he could claim to be the new rosa parks. he was unwilling to pay for that priveledge, and wisely so. it likely woulda proved a most pyrrhic victory for him
 
maybe

its that not enough folks are as wise and brave as this guy maybe all his admirers should put down their keyboards tonite and seek out the nearest check poinyt and challenge it. but do the full deal refuse to comply if enough folks do it the evil system will collapse under the sheer weight of all the righteous standing up against tyranny .i'll be reading the papers to see how it works out
 
Das Papiers Bitte

(Papers Please)

Out of curiosity how easy would it be for some concerned citizens to notice a check point and a few blocks prior to it stand with some free speech displays warning motorists that there was a checkpoint straight ahead? What possible problems might one encounter?

Shouldn't be an issue, but you know when you impact the revenue stream of the .gov's, there will be trouble. Everyone would have to have a video camera.

BTW - a legal loophole on these roadblocks is that the authorities HAVE TO print where and when the roadblocks will be in the local newspaper. If it's not posted in the paper, you now have a legal in to post a complaint. You also now have a place to gather and protest as well informed citizens.

Maybe a convoy of law abiding citizens with CHLs and CCWs intact, along with a trunk or truck full of freshly fired, empty, and still warm guns from the range. They should all pull up to the roadblock one after another 30 seconds to a minute apart. I'd bet you would would see some nervous LEO's. :rolleyes: ;) :neener:

I don't see anything out of the ordinary, you challenge a cop in any way whether your right or he is, you are gonna see them react in the fashion they were trained. They are trained to be dominant and control the situation, so they do, rights just get in the way of that. The kid being young puts him at a disadvantage as far as respect from the officers. I did not feel the kid was being smart, but his age and challenging the officer about his rights put them on "intimidate" mode instead. It's the typical chest beating bully type posturing response.

jeepmor
 
could you substantiate

this
"BTW - a legal loophole on these roadblocks is that the authorities HAVE TO print where and when the roadblocks will be in the local newspaper. If it's not posted in the paper, you now have a legal in to post a complaint. "

a hint ? you might not have good luck with google
 
if tht won opn fer u give ths a trie: http://www.1800duilaws.com/forms/docs/sobriety_checkpoints.pdf ifa it stil won opn giv us a cite. u betcha no prob.

Returning now to our English-speaking audience, another of the guidelines in DOT HS 807 656 is:

The motorist should be permitted to proceed on his/her way unless
the officer observes evidence of intoxication, or there is evidence
of another serious violation requiring immediate action.

There's no indication that the officer had found evidence of intoxication in the young man, nor is there any indication that the officer saw evidence of another serious violation requiring immediate action.

It is possible, of course, that the officer did decide (as has been urged in this thread) that the young man was a jerk. So far as I know, though, it is not yet illegal to be a jerk. Which is fortunate, because were there such a law the Internet would be a lonely place indeed instead of being a venue for sprightly, well-informed, intelligent discussion.
 
was this it?

is this what you are attempting to pass off as law? wanna take another look?

"Public Information and Education - To obtain maximum benefit in terms of its
general deterrent effect, sobriety checkpoints should be publicized aggressively.
Most drivers will probably never encounter a sobriety checkpoint, but will only learn
of it through media reports or by word of mouth. These two valuable forms of
public communication will greatly enhance any such program and should be
employed consistently."


particularly in reference to the fantasy that the locations must be published?


heres another thing from their website



DRUNKDRIVINGLAWS.ORG PROVIDES THE INFORMATION IN THIS WEB SITE FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. THE INFORMATION IS NOT INTENDED TO BE LEGAL ADVICE AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS SUCH.

oops maybe you can explain the subtler points of the language to me.... go real slow i'll try to keep up


its the finicky difference between guidelines and laws that keep tripping me up
 
heres one from wva

and again it doesn't pretend to be the law. it is a series of guidelines issued by the prosecutors office and the nhtsa but not law.. i mention this because i make a habit of reading the paper and they do announce that they will be running them but not the locations. for someone to give legal advice stating that their failure to publish the locations is a get outa jail free card is helping folks mess up more
 
My conclusion...

I agree with that young man for standing his ground. The officer IMO had no business asking him about his personal life--where he was going, what he was doing, where had he been. There is no moral or ethical justification for that at all, whether it's "legal" or not. There are higher laws than what is written in criminal codes.

And I say this after working for over 27 years with law enforcement as a dispatcher. Of course, a dispatcher and a police officer are two entirely different job descriptions. And one thing I learned after all those 27 years: I don't tell the officers how to do their jobs, and they don't tell me how to do mine. But if I crossed the line of common human decency, as in this case, I would expect to be called on it. But so should the officers. If, by pinning on those badges, they forget that they are also human, then they don't have enough substance to be wearing them.
 
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