Dumb CC'er makes us all look bad...
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divemedic
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You misspelled a word. How careless. I vote that we take away your right to use the written word. For life.
Car accident? Speeding ticket? Driver's license gone for life.
Car accident? Speeding ticket? Driver's license gone for life.
TAB: i just went back and reread your posts on this and I must say that you have some pretty unrealisitc expectations of others and you seem to come across as someone who thinks their "feet" don't stink. People will make mistakes, period. Should a mistake cost them a lifetime of revocation? If so, you better fess up to what you've screwed up in the past and stop doing whatever it was you were doing when it happened. Doctor spend something along the lines of 10-12 years of study, and should they lose their license on the first mistake that they make?
I'm not defending what happened since none of us know what really happened, but I am defending the point that people do make mistakes all the time and your idea of revoking their right to that activity is wholeheartedly misguided at best.
The saying "He who is without sin, cast the first stone" really comes to mind after reading what you've said.
I'm not defending what happened since none of us know what really happened, but I am defending the point that people do make mistakes all the time and your idea of revoking their right to that activity is wholeheartedly misguided at best.
The saying "He who is without sin, cast the first stone" really comes to mind after reading what you've said.
In my profession a big mistake will mean a life time ban. Even a minor mistake will cost me money and/or jail time. If a doctor makes a big mistake, yes they should lose thier lic. My profession requires 4 years of full time work under some one else. Only diffrence is the the ammount of time. As I said in this thread already. the only thing worse a CCW can do is use thier gun to commit a crime.
I can honestly say into the 6 figure round count, I have never had a ND, I did have one AD cuased by a malfunctioning 22( fring pin broke cuasing a slam fire), but since I fallowed all the safety rules, all it did was hit the back stop. There is a huge diffrence between a ND and AD caused by a malfunction gun. An AD is forgivable, a ND is not.
I can honestly say into the 6 figure round count, I have never had a ND, I did have one AD cuased by a malfunctioning 22( fring pin broke cuasing a slam fire), but since I fallowed all the safety rules, all it did was hit the back stop. There is a huge diffrence between a ND and AD caused by a malfunction gun. An AD is forgivable, a ND is not.
Sunray
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"...he either had a Holster that did not cover the trigger..." Or no holster. The putz needs a smack either way.
"...How much experience carrying and using weapons are..." Letting 'em drive and serve in the military is ok? A CCW is not about age. It's about responsibilty.
"...How much experience carrying and using weapons are..." Letting 'em drive and serve in the military is ok? A CCW is not about age. It's about responsibilty.
Tab You're showing your arse. Calm Down and think about what others are trying to say. From your post I assume your in the 18-24 range. Being in my 30's I remember well the days when I knew everything and was perfect in every way. Looking back now I see how silly I was and you will too when you get a little more mature.
read my other posts.
I understand all to well, mistakes happen... trust me I get it. The only prob is they want nothing to happen becuase of it. As I have said, there is no excuse for a ND... you have shown you can not safely handle a concealed weapon, therefore you should not have one.
I understand all to well, mistakes happen... trust me I get it. The only prob is they want nothing to happen becuase of it. As I have said, there is no excuse for a ND... you have shown you can not safely handle a concealed weapon, therefore you should not have one.
Apachedriver
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I'm not calling you out, just making a point.
Interesting... one man's negligent discharge is another's accidental. In my line of work, there are no accidental but only negligent discharges. Does this mean that's the end of the road? No. It means you get disciplined appropriately as well as retrained so that you can carry on more responsibly. Is this an unlimited proposition? No. If it happens again, then things get more severe.
TAB -
The way I see it, the AD/ND that doesn't hit anyone is very much like the pedestrian you almost hit with your car. In both it was close, everyone involved had the bejesus scared out of them, and injuries, like temporary hearing loss or twisted ankles or scrapes, may have occurred but will be recovered. After it's over, we get our spanking, take our lessons, apply them, and carry on more responsibly.
Following your logic, a huge percentage of us would never drive again because we almost had an ugly situation occur.
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Per what you wrote only, it could be argued that you had a Negligent Discharge and it wasn't the accident you claim.
-What was your schedule for stripping the .22 down all the way and inspecting the pieces and parts for signs of stress and wear?
-Were you certified by a recognized school to even perform that level of inspection and maintenance?
-If you're not school-certified as an armorer/gunsmith, did you take said weapon in to a certified gunsmith for regular inspections and replacements of parts and pieces?
-Where is your log recording the numbers and types of rounds fired?
-Did you follow all the specific instructions for use from the manufacturer?
-What were their recommendations for proper maintenance and replacement?
-Did you maintain a rapport with the customer service dept for service bulletins and/or recalls?
The firing pin breakage that allegedly caused the inadvertent firing was obviously your fault due to your negligence in properly maintaining your weapon.
Looks like you had a Negligent Discharge and just happened to have your weapon pointing in a direction to not harm others.
No more firearms for you.
Ever.
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It's not that black and white, though.
Interesting... one man's negligent discharge is another's accidental. In my line of work, there are no accidental but only negligent discharges. Does this mean that's the end of the road? No. It means you get disciplined appropriately as well as retrained so that you can carry on more responsibly. Is this an unlimited proposition? No. If it happens again, then things get more severe.
TAB -
The way I see it, the AD/ND that doesn't hit anyone is very much like the pedestrian you almost hit with your car. In both it was close, everyone involved had the bejesus scared out of them, and injuries, like temporary hearing loss or twisted ankles or scrapes, may have occurred but will be recovered. After it's over, we get our spanking, take our lessons, apply them, and carry on more responsibly.
Following your logic, a huge percentage of us would never drive again because we almost had an ugly situation occur.
Also -
Per what you wrote only, it could be argued that you had a Negligent Discharge and it wasn't the accident you claim.
-What was your schedule for stripping the .22 down all the way and inspecting the pieces and parts for signs of stress and wear?
-Were you certified by a recognized school to even perform that level of inspection and maintenance?
-If you're not school-certified as an armorer/gunsmith, did you take said weapon in to a certified gunsmith for regular inspections and replacements of parts and pieces?
-Where is your log recording the numbers and types of rounds fired?
-Did you follow all the specific instructions for use from the manufacturer?
-What were their recommendations for proper maintenance and replacement?
-Did you maintain a rapport with the customer service dept for service bulletins and/or recalls?
The firing pin breakage that allegedly caused the inadvertent firing was obviously your fault due to your negligence in properly maintaining your weapon.
Looks like you had a Negligent Discharge and just happened to have your weapon pointing in a direction to not harm others.
No more firearms for you.
Ever.
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It's not that black and white, though.
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Sorry, try again... it was a brand spanking new 1022... 3rd shot of its 2nd mag. It had 13 rounds thru it. ( its also the reason I will never own a 10 22) Even ruger admited it was thier mistake.
So its ok to have a ND as long as it does not hurt anyone? It is not ok. Saying its OK is why it happends. Thats like me building you a house, having it fall down while your at work... no one was hurt so its ok right? I should be able to keep building houses?
So its ok to have a ND as long as it does not hurt anyone? It is not ok. Saying its OK is why it happends. Thats like me building you a house, having it fall down while your at work... no one was hurt so its ok right? I should be able to keep building houses?
The local hospital here had a nurse that had her purse on a deck and when there was a rush the emts running the crash vics to the ER knocked her purse off the table and boom...got her CCW pulled and off to court..the judge chewed the county sherrif out for pulling her permit and made him give it back.
Apachedriver
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First....like I said, I was trying to illustrate a point about ND vs AD by using your situation with the .22. It was not a call out.
Secondly, I never said it was OK to have an ND...not even close. My point was that there are things that can be done before you just yank someone's ticket permanently, i.e., mandatory retraining, temporary suspensions, fines, etc.
In no way is an ND "just a cost of doing business". It is however a potential risk waiting for an opportunity. While education helps, is that something we want to get regulated and regularly required beyond just the basics taught at CCW/CHL classes? I'll keep my opinion on that for another thread.
BTW, that guy in the restaurant should've paid for everyone's meal around him. Small price.
ETA: TAB, by your example of the house falling, that would imply that Ruger should stop making guns because their failure caused a potentially deadly situation. Luckily you were following the four rules.
What if you were a cop at that moment with your weapon pointed at a perp. Boom, firing pin breaks, discharge occurs and perp is dead. Does Ruger still get to keep making weapons even though they caused a death?
Secondly, I never said it was OK to have an ND...not even close. My point was that there are things that can be done before you just yank someone's ticket permanently, i.e., mandatory retraining, temporary suspensions, fines, etc.
In no way is an ND "just a cost of doing business". It is however a potential risk waiting for an opportunity. While education helps, is that something we want to get regulated and regularly required beyond just the basics taught at CCW/CHL classes? I'll keep my opinion on that for another thread.
BTW, that guy in the restaurant should've paid for everyone's meal around him. Small price.
ETA: TAB, by your example of the house falling, that would imply that Ruger should stop making guns because their failure caused a potentially deadly situation. Luckily you were following the four rules.
What if you were a cop at that moment with your weapon pointed at a perp. Boom, firing pin breaks, discharge occurs and perp is dead. Does Ruger still get to keep making weapons even though they caused a death?
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Geezer Glide
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Ruger will be very disappointed to read this. This means that the recalls were unnecessary.
Sorry, but like apachedriver said, it's your fault man. you shoulda stripped it the first thing when you got it home and out of the box. No excuse allowed, since that seems to be your reasoning.
Doctors make major mistakes regularly. In fact, I never met a single one that hadn't. Better start stripping some licenses.
You made a comment that put you in a hole, and instead of putting the shovel down and cutting your losses, you continue to keep digging and digging.
Everybody has a job that has consequences if you make a major mistake, some allow retraining, some form of punishment or termination, but that doesn't mean that you can't get another job for the rest of your life now does it?
When you learned to drive, I gaurantee that you had at least one incident that put someone else's life in danger.
Knowing how the bolt and firing pin on the 10/22 work, I find it hard to believe that the pin broke and caused an ad.
Doctors make major mistakes regularly. In fact, I never met a single one that hadn't. Better start stripping some licenses.
You made a comment that put you in a hole, and instead of putting the shovel down and cutting your losses, you continue to keep digging and digging.
Everybody has a job that has consequences if you make a major mistake, some allow retraining, some form of punishment or termination, but that doesn't mean that you can't get another job for the rest of your life now does it?
When you learned to drive, I gaurantee that you had at least one incident that put someone else's life in danger.
Knowing how the bolt and firing pin on the 10/22 work, I find it hard to believe that the pin broke and caused an ad.
divemedic
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Several of my coworkers have made medication errors- they were sent to refresher training. I am an instructor, and one agency in the area had a practitioner who made an error that resulted in the death of a patient. He (and all of his coworkers) were subsequently trained in the particular condition that the patient had, and won't be repeating the mistake.
Pilots make errors when flying aircraft, the vast majority of those mistakes hurt no one. Should they have their pilot's license revoked for life?
Humans make mistakes. None of us is as perfect as you apparently think that you are.
PS- Whatever field you are in, if you think that you have never made a mistake, you are probably wrong, but are too conceited to admit or know it.
Pilots make errors when flying aircraft, the vast majority of those mistakes hurt no one. Should they have their pilot's license revoked for life?
Humans make mistakes. None of us is as perfect as you apparently think that you are.
PS- Whatever field you are in, if you think that you have never made a mistake, you are probably wrong, but are too conceited to admit or know it.
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