lobo9er
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If a safe becomes "law" and your house gets broken into on the day you foret to lock up your safe or a shotgun is left out to dry after hunting you will be charged with a crime. sounds like a great idea.
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45_auto
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There are lots of people out there who agree with you.
lobo9er
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Is that tongue in cheek or do you think that scenario is criminal?
Having your house broke into and your firearms stolen is criminal because they were not in a safe? In my opinion that is french, its pronounced Gar-'Bage. The A in 'babe has a AHH sound.
Having your house broke into and your firearms stolen is criminal because they were not in a safe? In my opinion that is french, its pronounced Gar-'Bage. The A in 'babe has a AHH sound.
45_Auto, I agree. Locks deter crime, they don't prevent it.
So you secure the guns when you have family over. It's not like you wake up at 5 in the afternoon on Superbowl Sunday and go "holy crap, there's people here!" Also, you can secure your firearms without partially disassembling them.
The problem with this line of thinking is that every "security" you can think of can be defeated. The idea of storing the bolts and weapons separately will not do much to prevent theft. They can steal both parts.
Like I said above: if my guns aren't ready to go, then they aren't doing their job. They're always "on call" as you will, in case of a break-in. I don't want to have to grab the different parts from different places and reassemble in the dark when I'm half asleep and half on adrenaline. I want to open safe, grab gun, pull charging handle, and be ready for BG.
So in terms of risk vs. reward, storing my guns in a manner in which you determine to be "safe" I actually consider unsafe. Yes, my guns might get stolen. They could still get stolen very easily if I did follow your advice. So your idea would create problems for me, without fixing the problem that you're trying to fix. Wait a minute, that IS gun control!
So you secure the guns when you have family over. It's not like you wake up at 5 in the afternoon on Superbowl Sunday and go "holy crap, there's people here!" Also, you can secure your firearms without partially disassembling them.
The problem with this line of thinking is that every "security" you can think of can be defeated. The idea of storing the bolts and weapons separately will not do much to prevent theft. They can steal both parts.
Like I said above: if my guns aren't ready to go, then they aren't doing their job. They're always "on call" as you will, in case of a break-in. I don't want to have to grab the different parts from different places and reassemble in the dark when I'm half asleep and half on adrenaline. I want to open safe, grab gun, pull charging handle, and be ready for BG.
So in terms of risk vs. reward, storing my guns in a manner in which you determine to be "safe" I actually consider unsafe. Yes, my guns might get stolen. They could still get stolen very easily if I did follow your advice. So your idea would create problems for me, without fixing the problem that you're trying to fix. Wait a minute, that IS gun control!
CharlieDeltaJuliet
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While it is every firearm owners discretion how they store their firearms, I do store firearms with ther firing system disabled if applicable. I do this out of habit. But we have to also remember it is "to each their own". I can never criticize anyone, because I am simply not them. With the exception of my CCW or HD shotgun, I do this after cleaning. I also keep mine under lock and key in a safe, but for some this may not be an option.
The vast majority of firearm owners are safe and know proper procedures for keeping firearms out of the wrong hands, sometimes it still happens. My issue is reacting like it were a prison. in which case a few get in troube and the whole population is locked down. While I know prisioners deserve what they get, it isnt a viable option for law biding citizens. The two should not be handled the same. What we must remember is to stand strong, united as firearm owners. We must not alienate or turn on our own. Now more than ever we need unity. Just my $0.02, please know this is just my opinion.
The vast majority of firearm owners are safe and know proper procedures for keeping firearms out of the wrong hands, sometimes it still happens. My issue is reacting like it were a prison. in which case a few get in troube and the whole population is locked down. While I know prisioners deserve what they get, it isnt a viable option for law biding citizens. The two should not be handled the same. What we must remember is to stand strong, united as firearm owners. We must not alienate or turn on our own. Now more than ever we need unity. Just my $0.02, please know this is just my opinion.
I agree locks and safes stop the quickie stuff or robbers who come ill prepared
We had a guy around these parts that had two very heavy large safes stolen from inside his house. Nothing is fool proof we just have to do the best we can in our environment and circumstance.
CJohnson, someone can still steal your HD gun and have a working firearm.
Although I can't argue with disabling those that are not for HD, my personal preference is to treat all of my firearms the same, even if it's not the first one I'd grab. That way I never wonder what condition it is in.
Although I can't argue with disabling those that are not for HD, my personal preference is to treat all of my firearms the same, even if it's not the first one I'd grab. That way I never wonder what condition it is in.
CharlieDeltaJuliet
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I agree Skribs, I just try to lessen the chance. My HD firearm is locked in my safe and safe room, when I am not home.
Like I said, it is to each their own. I do what I do, because of peace of mind for me. My CCW is always within arms reach 24/7. I keep the HD shotgun, mainly for my wife. While she is very proficient with handguns, she prefers the shotgun. We both have the key and combination to the safe, and we both are the only ones with access to my gun/reloading room. While I make no illusions that nothing is 100% secure, I do this to keep my firearms away from my daughter, and and friends that might come over. Please know I do what I do, because in my situation, it is the best method I have found so far. My wife or I are usually always home. I work from home. So if I am there working my CCW is on my side, and the shotgun is under lock and key. Just my routine. As I said I don't expect anyone to do similar. It is my choice. We each have to choose how we store our firearms.
Like I said, it is to each their own. I do what I do, because of peace of mind for me. My CCW is always within arms reach 24/7. I keep the HD shotgun, mainly for my wife. While she is very proficient with handguns, she prefers the shotgun. We both have the key and combination to the safe, and we both are the only ones with access to my gun/reloading room. While I make no illusions that nothing is 100% secure, I do this to keep my firearms away from my daughter, and and friends that might come over. Please know I do what I do, because in my situation, it is the best method I have found so far. My wife or I are usually always home. I work from home. So if I am there working my CCW is on my side, and the shotgun is under lock and key. Just my routine. As I said I don't expect anyone to do similar. It is my choice. We each have to choose how we store our firearms.
There is tremendous evidence to the contrary. Hundreds of homes a year are broken into and locked guns left are left alone by the thieves. Certainly these thieves are not "honest." But they were most definitely deterred by the locks on those gun safes.
And history proves that every person who uses a gun as a means of security can be defeated, but that doesn't stop us from carrying ours. In fact, it's the very reason we do carry; because the bad guys are carrying guns for their own security and we know they can be defeated. They are not invincible, so we carry in order to do our best to prevent dying at their hands.
So why argue with people choosing this means of security?
With respect, this is the same logic employed by "antis": "your method of securing your person - carrying a gun - would create problems for me without solving the crime problem."
Don't we hate it when anti's try to tell us that our guns can be defeated, so we just shouldn't bother using them? Or that our gun wouldn't work for them, so no one should use them?
There is a reason concealed carry is a method of personal safety. The OP is suggesting a means of personal security. Is it appropriate for 100% of the population? No. But does that less-than-100%-applicability eliminate it as a suggesting for the remaining ___% of the population? Also no.
I may have missed it, but I didn't see anything in the OP that stipulated a mandate or law. Rather a common-sense means by which some of us can control our own firearms.
razorback2003
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I think it is good to hide, lock up, or put in a cabinet/safe the guns you are not using. For example, I only have out the guns I am using for protection.
It keeps your average meth head out of them and also kids and immature adults.
Now someone determined like this guy up in CT, he probably would figure out how to get into a cabinet or safe because he would research the tools needed to get in one.
It keeps your average meth head out of them and also kids and immature adults.
Now someone determined like this guy up in CT, he probably would figure out how to get into a cabinet or safe because he would research the tools needed to get in one.
mg.mikael
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Then why in the first place are you inviting 8 strangers over? Even if they are somehow related that doesn't mean their still not strangers. If I don't know the person their probably not going to be invited to my house, and if they are invited it's not like they are going to have free range in the house with access to my guns.
Gossamer, my point is that by separating two parts of the gun, all you do is make the thief steal 2 parts instead of 1 and look up the video on youtube how to put them back together. There are far more practical ways that will secure your firearm better than breaking them apart.
Perfect examples K1500. I was trying to think of something, but yours hit the nail on the head. You park your car in the garage, and you shut and lock the door. You don't partially disassemble your engine so it can't be driven away.
Perfect examples K1500. I was trying to think of something, but yours hit the nail on the head. You park your car in the garage, and you shut and lock the door. You don't partially disassemble your engine so it can't be driven away.
So you have never had a party at your house where you didnt know someone? Or had a relative you had not seen in 7 years come over with their six year old. OK.
Never mind.
45_auto
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Skribs said:
Possibly times have changed since I was in college.
Do the looks of the girl (or guy?) you're out on a date with have anything to do with how many times you have to date them before you can trust them to spend the night?
SEE IT LIKE A NATIVE
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All my guns are loaded with the exception of my muzzle loaders !I keep 2 out of the safe that I typically carry . Years ago when
I only had one gun ( ruger speed six) it was kept loaded with a safari land childproof lock in a zippered case on a high shelf . I had no safe , when I left town , if I couldnt leave it with a buddy with a safe , I would remove the mainspring , reload it and put it back on the shelf . I always hoped that if anyone tried to use it in a crime ,that they would get shot when it failed to fire !
I only had one gun ( ruger speed six) it was kept loaded with a safari land childproof lock in a zippered case on a high shelf . I had no safe , when I left town , if I couldnt leave it with a buddy with a safe , I would remove the mainspring , reload it and put it back on the shelf . I always hoped that if anyone tried to use it in a crime ,that they would get shot when it failed to fire !
45_auto
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LMAO. Excellent decision!
I was stationed at Ft. Lewis for a couple of years, had a hard time telling what they looked like cause it seemed like it rained all the time!
I was stationed at Ft. Lewis for a couple of years, had a hard time telling what they looked like cause it seemed like it rained all the time!
sniperlongshot
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there are enough laws on the state and federal level that cause a gun owner to be held accountable for not securing their firearms and tools, ie; power saws, nail guns, knives of all kinds etc.... that lead to the injury of a child, or allowing access to someone who might commite a crime with it.....i spoke with a friend this morning about the same thing, everyone must be held accountable for the security of their weapons firearms, but each persons situation (physical, family, and finacial) is unique to them....i have a 5 year old daughter, the bulk of my collection is in safes, my daily carry, and dresser gun are in a more accessable place of storage, i like biometric safes they secure and keep my defense/carry guns avail. only to who i choose to give access to.....NOW: can they be pried off the headboard, or my safes drug through the wall by a pick-up truck, (that happend to an uncle, leaves a big hole in the wall), yes it can, but with a police report, did i go the distance if someone wants to know how my firearm was used in crime or was found in the possession of a minor, it is a good defense, but like stated already locks, and safes keep honest people honest, and do deter some criminals but not all, we can only do so much, and go only so far, but good sence, and responsible steps must be taken based on your individual situations to "the best of your ability"....and sometimes it really doesn't take much to deter a curios child, or thief.
Rom828
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I once had to park my old Ford pickup quite a ways from where I lived at an apartment. I'd pop the distributor cap and take the rotor with me. Can a car thief by a new rotor? Sure can. Will they just happen to have one with them? If you had to, how hard is it to take the firing pin out of a 1911 pistol or AR? If someone is determined enough it's amazing what they may accomplish. Any security measure, even a safe, is just designed to slow someone down and nothing is foolproof. Rendering a firearm unshootable is just another layer of secuirity that may used.
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