Edina cop survived "cop killer" bullets three years ago

[Subliminal One]

She emailed me back about the teflon coated bullets as well. Still trying to find a link from a reliable source that did a study showing teflon does nothing to increase penetration.

 

[jfh]

.223 teflon-coated???

like other MN residents here, I remember the original news reports and do not recall hearing anything about teflon-coated bullets back then.

Does anyone make .223 teflon-coated bullets--have they ever? It's not like this is a handloader's trick, AFAIK.

We ought to check the original police report--she sounds more like an anti who got her prejudices mixed up: probably been reading SCUBA Ted's comments.

 

[c_yeager]

Still trying to find a link from a reliable source that did a study showing teflon does nothing to increase penetration.

5 minutes with google. http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvcopk.html

Here is the relevant paragraph

In the mid 1960's, Dr. Paul Kopsch (an Ohio coroner), Daniel Turcos (a police sergeant) and Donald Ward (Dr. Kopsch's special investigator) began experimenting with special purpose handgun ammunition. Their objective was to develop a law enforcement round capable of improved penetration against hard targets like windshield glass and automobile doors. Conventional bullets, made primarily from lead, are often ineffective against hard targets especially when fired at handgun velocities. In the 1970's, Kopsch, Turcos and Ward produced their "KTW" handgun ammunition using steel cored bullets capable of great penetration. Following further experimentation, in 1981 they began producing bullets constructed primarily of brass. The hard brass bullets caused exceptional wear on handgun barrels, a problem combated by coating the bullets with Teflon. The Teflon coating did nothing to improve penetration, it simply reduced damage to the gun barrel.

Here is another one http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel200403010926.asp

"Cop-killer" bullets are sometimes called "Teflon bullets," but this name reflects a serious misunderstanding. For example, in the movie Lethal Weapon 3, a so-called "Teflon bullet" from a medium-power handgun was supposedly able to penetrate several inches of hardened steel on a bulldozer blade. In the real world, however, no bullet could possibly perform such a stunt.

Actually, a Teflon coating is applied to the outside of a wide variety of ordinary ammunition. Teflon reduces the lead abrasion caused by the bullet's movement down the barrel of the gun. Thus, the barrel is kept cleaner, and is protected from excessive wear. Also, reduced abrasion means that fewer tiny lead air particles are produced, so the air is cleaner — an especially important consideration at indoor shooting ranges.

Those are results #5 and #7 resulting from a search of

+"teflon coating" +penetration +bullet

Im sure there are more but that should be a start.

They should have classes on how to search for things

 

[Subliminal One]

I have those links Yeager, I ended up forwarding the guncite link to her earlier today. I was originally looking for something from a gov't website or some sorts, to try to appear more neutral.

 

[Andrew Rothman]

I hate to say it. Officer Blood is a hero, and he's been through a lot. But he's also a Million Mommer now.

Michael Blood, a retired Edina police officer who was shot and wounded in a bank robbery in 2000, sounded a gong 29 times Monday at the State Capitol in memory of the 29 Minnesotans killed by gunshot in March 2002, 23 of them suicides. His wife, Cheri, steadied the gong, called the "First Monday Bell." Blood rang it a 30th time for Barbara Monroe, a Madison, Minn., native who was gunned down last October along with two other University of Arizona nursing professors by a disgruntled student. Monroe's relatives also spoke at the event, organized by Citizens for a Safer Minnesota and the Million Mom March to voice opposition to changing the state handgun law.

Incidentally, the crook is a real winner -- a failed cop wannabe:

From the Star Tribune, Nov 21, 2000 - no link available:

David L. White was aggressive, violent and ultimately deemed not mentally stable and unable to fulfill his boyhood dream of becoming a police officer, according to Cincinnati police records.

Authorities at the Cincinnati Police Academy were so concerned about his behavior as a police recruit in 1996 that they were moving to kick him out of the academy.

But White - the heavily-armed robber who was fatally wounded in a shootout with police after he robbed an Edina bank on Thursday - resigned from the academy just two days after officials detailed a series of incidents they said indicated he wasn't fit to be an officer.

Incidents cited included overzealous behavior such as twirling his pistol on his finger, pointing it toward his classmates and using his baton to beat a dummy during a break from classes.

Overzealous? How about idiotic?

 

[Andrew Rothman]

I love my county library.

I did a comprehensive search of the Star Tribune full-text archives, and no mention was ever made of the bullets being unusual in any way.

You'd think that the Strib wouldn't miss a chance to mention it if they were.

So I decided to go to the horse's mouth, as it were.

I contacted the Public Information Officer for the Edina police department, Molly Anderson. She recalled that the weapon was a Ruger, but not other details.

She is pulling the report and will be getting back to me when she has it. I'll post the results here, and maybe start dealing with the Star Tribune as well.

(See, guys? Journalists can be useful! )