TimLambert
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"Bruce", for someone who claims to be ignoring me, you sure spend a lot of time misrepresenting my position and motivation...
Election in Australia -- Howard and Latham on guns
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Please excuse, or don't, my nativism on this topic, but other than as a cautionary tale why does it matter at all to Americans what happens to gun laws in Australia?
Their situation is not even one of trying to lock the barn door after the horse has been stolen. It is more akin to trying to belatedly draw a line in the sand around the ruins of a barn somewhere near the sun bleached bones of a long slaughtered horse as the pilliagers come back one last time for the owners.
As for myself, I have a morbid fascination in watching the meek rearguard action of a spent force.
Their situation is not even one of trying to lock the barn door after the horse has been stolen. It is more akin to trying to belatedly draw a line in the sand around the ruins of a barn somewhere near the sun bleached bones of a long slaughtered horse as the pilliagers come back one last time for the owners.
As for myself, I have a morbid fascination in watching the meek rearguard action of a spent force.
AKAIK, Australians have no Constitutional guarantees of any individual liberties, and the country is still a protectorate, or colony of Great Britain, which is half a world away. Ridiculous, and overdue for a War of Independence. We did it, you can too. 
fallingblock
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Boats, you're correct.....
"Their situation is not even one of trying to lock the barn door after the horse has been stolen. It is more akin to trying to belatedly draw a line in the sand around the ruins of a barn somewhere near the sun bleached bones of a long slaughtered horse as the pilliagers come back one last time for the owners."
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We're certainly wrecked over here as a result of not having any codified recognition of RKBA, as RileyMc states.
All it took was one nominally conservative P.M. who betrayed his rural support base (because he himself 'hates' guns) and some really fanatical anti-gun "activists" (Rebecca Peters, who is now chair of IANSA, and after YOUR firearms) using the media sensation of the Port Arthur shootings to get the ball rolling.
The Australian media are much more institutionally anti-gun than the U.S. media.
With Howard's party against us, gun owners had nowhere to turn.
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"Please excuse, or don't, my nativism on this topic, but other than as a cautionary tale why does it matter at all to Americans what happens to gun laws in Australia?"
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Boats, the relevance is that there is an entire body of well-funded internationalists such as 'Ms. Peters', who are working day and night to achieve their goal in the U.S.. The fewer nations remaining in favor of gun ownership, the more time and effort they are able to concentrate upon "fixing" the U.S.A.
It only took one gun-hating P.M. and a media event here to gain their victory, and they have lots of time, political influence and money to devote to you.
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"As for myself, I have a morbid fascination in watching the meek rearguard action of a spent force."
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Once the National/Liberal Parties jumped on the anti-gun bandwagon, gunowners as a political force were irrelevant.
I'm sure it is pathetic to watch.
I can assure you it is even more so to experience.
Please learn from our sad experience and resist the internationalists who are at this moment working to repeat their Australian success in the U.S.
"Their situation is not even one of trying to lock the barn door after the horse has been stolen. It is more akin to trying to belatedly draw a line in the sand around the ruins of a barn somewhere near the sun bleached bones of a long slaughtered horse as the pilliagers come back one last time for the owners."
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We're certainly wrecked over here as a result of not having any codified recognition of RKBA, as RileyMc states.
All it took was one nominally conservative P.M. who betrayed his rural support base (because he himself 'hates' guns) and some really fanatical anti-gun "activists" (Rebecca Peters, who is now chair of IANSA, and after YOUR firearms) using the media sensation of the Port Arthur shootings to get the ball rolling.
The Australian media are much more institutionally anti-gun than the U.S. media.
With Howard's party against us, gun owners had nowhere to turn.
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"Please excuse, or don't, my nativism on this topic, but other than as a cautionary tale why does it matter at all to Americans what happens to gun laws in Australia?"
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Boats, the relevance is that there is an entire body of well-funded internationalists such as 'Ms. Peters', who are working day and night to achieve their goal in the U.S.. The fewer nations remaining in favor of gun ownership, the more time and effort they are able to concentrate upon "fixing" the U.S.A.
It only took one gun-hating P.M. and a media event here to gain their victory, and they have lots of time, political influence and money to devote to you.
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"As for myself, I have a morbid fascination in watching the meek rearguard action of a spent force."
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Once the National/Liberal Parties jumped on the anti-gun bandwagon, gunowners as a political force were irrelevant.
I'm sure it is pathetic to watch.
I can assure you it is even more so to experience.
Please learn from our sad experience and resist the internationalists who are at this moment working to repeat their Australian success in the U.S.
I am glad you didn't take offense. I really once had an affinity for Australia, especially when I visited when I was in the Navy in the late 80s. That seems an age ago however. It seems today that the "subversive" side of the Aussie national character, that romanticism of having origins as a penal colony, that "devil may care" attitude that was at its most enjoyable for me in places like Darwin, or Perth, seems to have been stamped out in an effort to become sissified Southern Britons or something. It has to be that same manifestation of urbanite crap that our two countries must suffer largely from our respective Eastern Coasts.
I wouldn't worry about us for awhile yet. Nobody has lower political standing in this country than meddling foreign internationalists, even if they speak strangely accented English.
I wouldn't worry about us for awhile yet. Nobody has lower political standing in this country than meddling foreign internationalists, even if they speak strangely accented English.
Don Gwinn
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There haven't been any personal attacks I'd call actionable so far. However, it's obvious that's where this is heading. It also seems that whatever discussion of Mr. Howard vs. Mr. Latham was ever going to take place, has taken place.
I'm closing this one as much more likely to yield a bunch of flaming insults than any more meaningful discussion of the Australian election as it relates to firearms.
I'm closing this one as much more likely to yield a bunch of flaming insults than any more meaningful discussion of the Australian election as it relates to firearms.
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