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I used to practice some martial arts; empty hand -weapons years ago and have been considering returning to the practice, although at a gentler pace now.

When I last asked my opthalmologist if he recommended laser surgery for me to correct my vision, his reply was no; not for me.
He explained that the laser actually destroys several layers of cornea cells to reshape the eye to make correction. The cornea then is not only thinner, but is in a slightly less flexible; slightly more brittle condition, whereby, any heavy blow such as one could receieve in a contest could possibly rupture the eye and result in blindness!

I saw a similar thread to this on another site and would have asked this question there, but they make it too complex to register, so I'm asking here at the more friendly THR.

Any martial art practitioners. Full contact, like Judo, Boxing, etc. With the improvement in current laser surgery, is it safe to contest with laser corrected eyeballs?
 
We're not the folks to ask.

Consult with several eye specialists that do and do not perform laser corrective surgery and get their opinion.
 
I can say that certain types of corrective eye surgery preclude the recipient from airborn (paratrooper) ability. Should be some similarity: the problem is shock, so your concern is understandable.

John
 
James,

I too am not a viable candidate for Lasik because my eyes are past the point that laser surgery can fix. However, there is hope as far as seeing without glasses in a product called an Implantable Collamer Lens or ICL, these were recently approved by the FDA to treat both nearsightedness and farsightedness. The cool part is that there is no physical change made to your eye, they basically slip this lens behind your cornea through a small cut during surgery and that's it. If it needs to be changed or upgraded they can simply take it out and replace it, this will definitely blow Laser surgery out of the water once it catches on. Ask your optometrist about it and also you can learn more by looking it up on Google.

This won't help with the problem of retina detachment due to being hit hard enough but for folks who have worn eyeglasses for years it is great news.
 
learning more every day

Friends:

Thank you for the response. The information is appreciated. Especially the
"ICL" lens info. from waywardmonk.

I'm not going to adress you as Mr. Shirley; I'm 60 myself. I had done jumping with the 82nd at Ft. Bragg, that is with prescription lens. However my first few jumps were "night jumps;" I had my eyes closed. Wayward's suggestion sounds good, as it leaves the eyeball intact, and I would be willing to wait for awhile so that the technology could be perfected.

hso: My post was in hope that some unfortunate person would respond and confirm that I should not do that. The other web site, had many responses of those who had disasterous results from laser surgery. I had encountered other stories on medical web sites before when I first began to investigate what was out there in internet land and some of the malpractice was horrendous. It at least, was reason to have second thoughts, and made me more "fully informed" as to the risks. Thanks for the reply.
 
Thank you, Mr. Thomas. I was suddenly feeling older, for a bit, there! :D
 
LASIK? Look for Intralase "no blade" flap, and a SURGEON run clinic.

I've had my own personal LASIK saga, and I've been doing lots of research.

If you're willing to spend the dough, look for a LASIK clinic that has an "Intralase" laser. It's an additional laser that cuts the LASIK corneal flap that re-covers the re-shaped part of your eye. This is instead of the surgeon doing it by hand with the radiokerotome (i.e. little buzzing razor blade like a block plane across the tip of your eyeball...) in traditional LASIK.

The Intralase cutting laser comes to a focus like buring ants with a magnifying glass & the sun. It only disrupts tissue right at the point of the focus, where it blasts the tissue into little microscopic bubbles of steam and carbon dioxide. The computer zaps these little microscopic bubbles and stacks them up like lego bricks until they all connect and make the loose flap. And it does it all in a matter of seconds with robotic accuracy. (If you move or blink, even though you're not supposed to, it can adjust or stop instantly too.) Then they put you under the regular LASIK laser that carves your perscription into your eye.

The Intralase cut flap is smaller than the traditional blade cut flap, and less corneal cells are damaged, which means you lose less cornea tissue to the flap. That also means your eye is left thicker so you can safely get more LASIK "touch ups" to your perscription if need be.

The sides of the Intralase laser-cut flap are also thick and vertical like a manhole cover, so it goes tightly back into place, and there's much less chance of you accidentialy blinking or rubbing it out of place while you heal. The cornea also heals faster with a much lower percentage rate of complications than the traditional blade cut flap.

The traditional radiokerotome blade cut flap is more like a dome-shaped slice across the edge of a melon, thinner at the edges which can get peeled up like an onion skin, or like a hangnail before it heals. Not to be alarmist, this dosen't happen often, or LASIK would be unsafe and unpopular, but the laser cut "manhole cover" corneal flap that Intralase provides is even safer.

The other benifit is that the Intralase cut flap is very precise and that improves your results from LASIK greatly. What they don't tell you is that at the blade-cut clinics you can lose a lot of the benifit of the super-custom laser cut perscription because of the microscopic imperfections in the blade and the human hand holding it. It's like polishing and focusing a camera lens to perfection, then covering it back up with crinkled plastic wrap.

There is only one Intralase clinic in Milwaukee, and I went there for a third opinion in utter confusion after two other LASIK clinics told me radicaly different things. The first one scheduled me for PRK, which is NOT LASIK, without telling me. PRK is where the laser cuts on your eye directly to correct your vision, instead of under a smooth flap that acts like a band-aid in LASIK and makes that a better procedure. It's way more painful and takes days or weeks to recover from. :eek: I told them where to go once I figured it out...

The second clinic put me in the eye scanner and then kicked me out, telling me I was too thin in the corneas. :confused:

The third and final clinic was the Intralase clinic. It's run by an eye surgeon who also practices corneal transplants, cataract surgery, eye repair operations, and the like at the Medical College of Wisconsin, and did so long before LASIK came on the scene. Thier techs ran many more tests than the other places bothered to, and my eyes are fine.

They have no idea what the other LASIK clinics are smoking. They were even nice enough to run more tests to confirm my eyes are fine when I explained how concerned I was over incompatible things the other two clinics had told me. They took the time to show me my eye measurments and corneal depth, and compared it to the USDA LASIK guidelines and safety minimums, which I am well over.

The only downside is that Intralase is expensive as compared to regular LASIK. It's about $2500 per eye. Most LASIK chop-shops will do both your eyes for $2000 or less these days.

I am scheduled to get Intralase/LASIK done in December '06 and January '07 so I can have one eye done each calander year, and double-dip on my insurance and pre-tax Medical savings account. :D

I am sick of my glasses, but this is worth doing right.
 
My wife was profoundly nearsighted, so much so that she couldn't read without her long-distance glasses and suffered a detached retina because of the shape of her eyeball. She had LASIK a couple years back, and it changed her life. Now she can read, drive and shoot without glasses and has only suffered a little farsightedness. She was warned to lay off the martial arts for about six months after the surgery. The detached retina put the kibosh to her Thai boxing.
 
My neighbor had ICL done to his left eye. It took 20 minutes and healed in about a week. He has 20/10 vision now. Heck, even at 19 I'm considering it.
 
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