End of an era

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I remember the closing of a rockin' old school shop on the north side of The City of Industry, nearly up against the mountains. Aside form really liking the owners (squared me away, righteously on my AMT hardballer longslide) the shop was a wonderful environment and in a pleasing "destination" location. I was more saddened by the statement it's closing made on the community than I was by my own personal loss in it's passing.

I feel your pain but now live in Arizona where they open as fast as they close in California. The down side is that even when they do open, they don't have that weird inventory squirreled away, sometimes for decades just waiting for YOU to come along and discover/appreciate it.
 
I will try to keep this on course, my apologies if I don't. I agree that it sucks to see any place, new or old, with a knowledable staff that takes care of its customers go out of business or change for whatever reason, going public, etc. Those establishments are few and far between for numerous reasons these days, a lot of those have been previously listed.

I have a Kroger and a Walmart in my town. Walmart is just like any other Walmart, not enough checkers, can't find a parking spot, way too crowded inside, etc. I shop at Kroger and pay a little more but these annoyances are lessened. My money is my time and less frustration. I'm sure some people where I live can't afford $5 more a week on groceries and shop at Walmart, which is great for them. Not gonna bash Walmart here, but I think you see my point.

I would love to support my LGS with all of my purchases. But I don't make enough money to keep me and him out of poverty. Allow me to digress a bit, some people can manage, some people have no business managing. A few examples and you will be able to recognize these people, as I'm sure you have met some. My neighbor does headliners, customer interior work, convertible tops and lots of dealer work. When he is actually on his sewing machine he makes several hundred dollars an hour, no kidding. When he is driving all over Houston (and that's a lot of driving) he isn't making a cent. Now, I know that he has to drive to pick the stuff up. Well, actually he doesn't. He could pay either son or someone else a decent wage to pick up an deliver while he sat in his garage sewing. Every time I speak to him he is behind. Probably because he drives half the day then works half the night. A few hundred dollars an hour and this man will never be rich. He is not a manager, plain and simple. His skillset is totally different. That's just one example of how he cannot manage his business. My last example and I will get back on the subject. I own a VW and had a mechanic that I became decent friends with. He can rebuild a carb and charge $130 for it. This takes around and hour start to finish once he is in his shop with it. And there are lots of people in need of her services. However, he spends half his day chasing down people on the internet, looking for shipping boxes and waiting in line at the post office. He is in debt up to his eyeballs. Same story, awesome skills, but cannot manage his business.

My LGS doesn't have a clue in the world how to manage. He has a strong interest in guns, but that isn't a license to make money selling them. I ordered a cheap AR-15 a few years ago from him. He ordered an extra just for the hell of it. He sold it within hours of receiving it. He got 2 more and sold them almost as quickly. Then he stopped ordering and selling them. Nothing changed, he just didn't want to do it. He has thousands of dollars tied up in overpriced guns no one wants to buy hanging up on the walls. I have seen the same collection for several years now. Mark them down a little to sell then use the money to buy new inventory that you can make money off of over and over. He would rather just leave them up there. And not take an initial loss. That's not hard to figure out, but you could never convince him that it is a sound business decision. He doesn't carry any of the other stuff to sell, holsters, cleaning supplies, etc. You know, some of the stuff that you can make money off as well. He has about 40 boxes of old, over priced ammo in a big stack in a showcase. If I can't tell what you have, then how am I going to buy it. Retailers merchandise (verb) their merchandise for a reason. They also vacuum their carpets and clean the glass. And the final straw, I was picking up a gun I ordered from a pawn shop a few months ago and paying the $25 transfer fee and he mentioned that he was going to have to raise his transfer fee. I asked about the circumstances. He said that due to Bud's, CDNN and a few others selling for so cheap he was going to start charging $100 to do transfers for them. I kinda laughed and starting thinking of someone else to do my transfers.

I guess the point I am attempting to make here is that in the competitive market we live in today our LGS must manage their stores. (Can you tell I'm in management.) But seriously, they do. If they do not have the skills to manage their store then they will go under. I'm not saying the store the OP referenced had that problem, but so many others brought up their LGS, I thought I would mention this. Paying someone to manage or consult might be a wise decision.
 
There's a well known LGS in my area that has a reputation for having great prices, but some people feel that it's a dive and that the staff are standoffish.

By all accounts, it's an old storefront in a hole-in-the-wall strip mall. Some people might get the impression of a swap meet or flea market atmosphere if all they do is give the place a quick glance (boxes of misc accessories on the floor and in corners, old display counters, etc). Take a closer look, and while the cases and floor may not be in top condition, the firearms are. Since I don't shop there for carpet or display cases, this works for me.

I'm assuming that low overhead enables this shop to continue to offer out the door pricing that would be competitive with an online purchase.
 
Let's just keep ordering everything off the internet and watch 'em all close down.
Not entirely true. Rainier Arms is an internet based business, but they are also a fine local spot too. Different model than most. Keeping up today means being a small local shop (Walmart is finding this out now) AND being an internet giant. To be an internet giant, all you need is FAST turn arounds and a closet to stock your goods in for the day. Look at Amazon. As big as they are, I can't find a giant warehouse anywhere out here that says "Amazon!" on the side that is commensurate with the volume of business.
 
The internet won't run everyone out of business.

LGS have one advantage the internet does not. You can go in and hold it. While the nice new shiny gun is in your hand is when the salesman sells the gun to you. That is their chance to make money. Most people would pay a little more to buy a gun in person from an LGS than order online. But when the LGS stock is so bare, outdated or just plain undesirable consumers are forced to buy from the online retailers. I was in retail electronics sales when the internet just started rolling. Sure lots of people came in played with our cameras, asked us all the questions then went online and bought one for $200 or so less. We adapted and remained profitable. Circuit City was poorly managed and went out of business, the internet expedited the process. Best Buy changed and remains in business.

The point I am attempting to make is give us a reason to spend a little more money with the LGS than online while we are in your store. Don't lie to us and/or insult our intelligience while we are shopping.
 
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Not entirely true. Rainier Arms is an internet based business, but they are also a fine local spot too. Different model than most. Keeping up today means being a small local shop (Walmart is finding this out now) AND being an internet giant. To be an internet giant, all you need is FAST turn arounds and a closet to stock your goods in for the day. Look at Amazon. As big as they are, I can't find a giant warehouse anywhere out here that says "Amazon!" on the side that is commensurate with the volume of business.
True enough that the shops have the opportunity to profit from the internet too.

My greatest issue with internet retail was the amount of time and resources that we committed to say, one product like Trijicon, just to have it on hand in our shop so that customers could come in, glom on it, dick up the knobs then go search for a cheaper one on the internet and still have several of them each year try to get their Trijicon warranty serviced by us. This same scenario would be played out in a couple dozen product scenarios until I pulled all retail of accessories not manufactured by us as it had become a monumental waste of our time.

(Added) Also note that in the case of Trijicon, we were dead AT the lowest allowable manufacturer's price and still got undercut by internet short term or one-buy dealers.

Just an observation from a former shop owner on at least one effect of the internet on storefront retail.

I do loves me some internet though... I'm just sayin'.
 
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