Enough Scope?

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TimM

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I just acquired my first long range shooter, a Savage 10 FCP .308 with H.S. Precision stock. I have decided on the Bushnell Elite Tactical series of scopes and I am wondering is if the 5-15x40 is enough scope for 6, 7, 800 yards or if I really need something like the 6-24x50 (for double the money) to do this rifle justice.

Primary use would be target shooting, soy bean field woodchucks and (reluctantly) social work.
 
if it was just paper, why not get as much as possible?

but from what I gather, for your purposes, 15x should be good to go. My .308 has 16x on the top end, and it's enough to clearly see a 12" plate at 1k yards.

congrats on the new rifle! let us know how it shoots.
 
Well, lessee: I know 3X is plenty good for Bambi to 350 yards. 7X is plenty good for prairie dogs to 300 yards. 10X made life easy on my target at 500 yards.

Were I planning on 800 yards, I'd likely go to at least 14X. I guess I'd try that before adding the money to go higher. So, odds are that the 5x15 would make a good running start. :)
 
Some people can shoot irons pretty well at 1000 yards. It really depends on your target and the shooting situation. If you are looking to compete in a tough, potentially national level, then the more the better. If you are playing around locally for fun, the 5-15 should be plenty to get you accurate hits. If every .1" counts, then get the most you can afford. If not, put the extra money into more ammo and have fun.
 
I personally recommend a 6-18x50. It really is a good all-around range. I'd kind of shy away from anything less. I put a Simmons on my PSL (yeah, not the most precision rifle) and it's proven to be an excellent choice for guns in that power range.
 
IMHO the clarity of a lower power scope is more important than a higher power scope with less fidelity.
 
Personally, I like a higher power scope for all applications. if you like the elite tactical why not go this route? There is a tremendous amount of flexibility here. You could dial it down to 4.5x and hunt deer at dusk or crank it up to 30x on a clear day and pick off chucks at 500yds, at 30x you could probably see the whites of their furry eyes...

http://swfa.com:80/Bushnell-45-30x50-Elite-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P48269.aspx
 
Thanks guys, appreciate all the input it's very helpful. When I make a decision and get it mounted up I'll let you know how she shoots.
 
Personally, I like a higher power scope for all applications. if you like the elite tactical why not go this route? There is a tremendous amount of flexibility here. You could dial it down to 4.5x and hunt deer at dusk or crank it up to 30x on a clear day and pick off chucks at 500yds, at 30x you could probably see the whites of their furry eyes...

http://swfa.com:80/Bushnell-45-30x50...pe-P48269.aspx

That's pretty sweet but a couple hundred more than I have to spend right now.
 
At 6-800 yds glass quality are as important as magnification if not more important. I would prefer a quality fixed 10X or a lesser glass quality 5-20X. The SWFA SS 10X has models starting at $300 and go up, the glass is superb.
 
i got a 4-16x40mm barska on a 10/22
nothing personal against small scopes,im sure they got their uses, i just havent found one yet
 
If you want to stay in the $500 price point (about what I see the Bushnell 5-15 going for) there are a few good options out there to pick from. If you want more magnification the Vortex Viper line would be a good one. You can get a 6.5-20x in your budget. Weaver has a couple options that fit. Their Grand Slam line will get you into a 6-20x model or a Classic V 6-24x. You could also grab a Sightron SII 6-24x for that price, but not quite the BigSky SII. You would be right on the edge of a Nikon Monarch 5-20x but about $100 off the 6-24x. It will also get you into a Leupold VX-II 6-18x. You will be just a little short of a Burris Fullfield Tactical 6.5-20x. It will even get you into a Bushnell Elite 6-24x.

All of these scopes are quality scopes from a decent manufacturer. Some have slightly better features here or there but they are all quality built. I don't want to point you away from the Bushnell Tactical if that is what you really want. I just want to let you know that in the budget you have set for the scope, you can get more magnification without spending more money, yet still keeping quality. Some of those scopes are better built or better optically than others, but they all are in the ballgame. Most of those also come in a 4.5-14 or similar magnification range for a bit less money as well, which would save you some over the Bushnell.

When you look at the specs of the Bushnell Tactical, it looks to be basically their old 3200 line (their 3x erector) with externally adjustable turrets. It's only a 1" tube for a tactical style scope, and it's limited to 40 MOA of internal adjustment. That number isn't horrible for a casual shooter (myself included), but if you want to play at long range, more adjustment is very beneficial. When compared to the Viper mentioned above, the Viper has 68 MOA of adjustment, and while the turrets are covered, when the covers are removed they are easily hand adjusted.

I believe the Bushnell Tactical line to be on the same glass/coatings as the 3200 line, which would put it in the 92% light transmission range. The Viper, Monarch, SII, and standard Bushnell Elite all are at the 95% mark, which is what you see in scopes the next price point up. It isn't a huge difference, but it is like going from the old Elite 3200 to the 4200, the Buckmaster to the Monarch, or the VX-II to the VX-III, which some people find as a must.

The big drawback for the Nikon for me is the amount of internal adjustment (again only important if you plan to shoot mid range as well as long range). It only had 34 MOA of adjustment. The standard Bushnell Elite is even worse at only 26 MOA of adjustment.

Looking at the ballistics of your rifle, a 175gr SMK driven at 2700fps has a little over 25 MOA of drop from 500 yards out to 1000 yards. If you plan to shoot from 500-1000 yards only, a scope like the standard Bushnell Elite would have to have a lot of luck to work. You would need to find a scope base/elevation adjustable rings that put the zero at 500 yard near the absolute top of the adjustment range. Then, at 1000 yards, you would be at the absolute bottom of the adjustment range. The problem here is that you get the best image through the center of the optic and pushing it to one extreme or the other gives a degraded image (though how much depends on the quality of the scope). You have no room to shoot any closer as you are out of adjustment outside of the 500-1000 yard range.

With 40 MOA of internal adjustment on the Elite Tactical, things are a little more friendly, and if you use the right bases/rings, you can adjust elevation from 0-1000 yards all on the scope. Again though, you will be looking through the extremes of the adjustment and you will have to rely on some correction in the bases/rings for elevation to get you to fit in the range.

When you look at the Viper and it's 68 MOA of adjustment, you can basically toss it on any standard ring/base combo and be able to adjust out to 1000 yards. Also, if you put it on a base/ring combo of around 15MOA of elevation, you will be working on bit closer to the center of the lens through the entire adjustment range, which should provide a better image.

There is a lot to go into picking a scope. Make sure you know what you're getting before you buy, especially if you plan to spend $500. Some scopes have features/specs that make them much more desirable for a given style of shooting.
 
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