ESCAPE FROM CA - Help me choose a new place to live

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North Idaho is pretty good. Here we have a decent university (tho we are having a financial crisis and a bit of a scandal involving our former college pres and a few others and a 10 million dollar loan by the U to itself), a nice little airport, 90 minutes from Spokane and a larger airport, good internet service, a nice local range (hubby is pres :D ) , good hunting and fishing, we do have state income tax, but it isn't bad and the folk here are quite nice.
 
I would have to agree that northern Idaho deserves a look. Easy to get a CCW, low crime, friendly people, lots of guns and far lower taxes than Kali. I live next to the Teton Mts in Idaho, just on the other side of the Tetons from Jackson, WY. I love it here (escaped from Kali in 1998). It would be a little to cold here if you don't like the winter weather, (belive it or not it snowed today, it didn't stick, but it did snow). Northern Idaho is not as cold. The winters here (6500 ft.) are long and cold, but spring,summer and fall are wonderful. On the way home from work today I saw Elk, bison and even a small black bear. No tellin where the moose were but I see them all of the time also. It's about a 5 mile drive from my house to hunt all of the above. People here have a strong work ethic and a live and let live type attitude. All in all, you couldn't drag me back to Kali with a team of wild horses.
Where ever you end up, it will be far better than California. I feel for those of you stuck in Kali due to jobs or family. Make the escape if possible, it's well worth it.
Good shooting, John K
 
Sven,

Sat links are notorious for rather high latency - like often 600-1200ms latency - often much much worse.

Take it from an avid gamer.
 
As fun as it is to fight the banners tooth and claw, it is nice to wake up, taste the sweet air of quasi-freedom, and go about your life breaking less laws than if you lived in california.

doesn't want to break too many laws ----> atek3
 
Arizona would be my preference. Warm, dry (great for blued guns) and decent gun laws. They also are a hub for new technology.

Robert


Edit: I just did Ladybug's test and I came up with Tucson and Phoenix as my #1 and #2 picks. Imagine that!

Now I just need to get out of O-HEIL-O. :cuss:

-Robert
 
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Phoenix and surrounding areas is currently at the top of my list. Please keep the ideas coming in!
 
As fun as it is to fight the banners tooth and claw, it is nice to wake up, taste the sweet air of quasi-freedom, and go about your life breaking less laws than if you lived in california.

Alas another midwesterner moves to California, out of California , into California, out of California............You must admit it is worth making up lame excuses to leave. How else would you explain the insanity. Other than the longing for where you come from and the warmth and security that brings.

I really dont think too many people leave CA for the gun laws.:D
 
whoa there california cowboy. I'm from missouri, a state just about as bad as CA in every single way, worse weather too.

atek3
 
Glad to see that I am not the only person contemplating a long distance move. I have been looking to get out of Cali :fire: for the last 6 months preferably to AZ, TX or Colorado just waiting on the right job offer to come along. Might have to consider TN now though I never considered the South much other than possibly Atlanta but anywhere is better than here.

Simon
 
Phoenix is TOO hot. You must look at Southern Utah. St. George is a snowbird paradise, hot summers, mild winters, ~3,000 ft. ASL. Slightly north, on the I15, is Cedar City, warm summers, but winter is there, some snow. ~6,000 ft ASL, 12,000 ft mountains to look at. Each has DSL or satellite or Line-of-Sight internet. I have LOS internet in the hills 1mb $118/mo. I operate a business there relying on CA clients.

Here is the best part. 1-2 hours to Las Vegas. 6 hours to SoCal, 10 hours to NoCal by auto. SkyWest gets you to LV or SLC for connections.

Income tax is manageable. Property tax is real low. Sales tax 6%. Cheap work force.

Tons of space. Shooting? Just about anywhere. Land? Plenty. Lots of BLM and NFS land.

Example, 3 acres, 3,200 sq foot house, 3 car garage, $200,000. Taxes? $780/yr. On Snob Hill.

Auto insurance? Cheap. Auto Registration? Very low.

Concealed carry took a week, minimal paperwork, no local approval.

Any gun allowed under federal law is allowed in Utah.

BTW, Mormons have not been a problem. I have heard stories, but I have never experienced any issues. Not like I am running for County Commissioner, though. Benefit is that the area is VERY conservative.
 
Yeah let me add another vote for Pahrump NV. I have been here in Pahrump one week today, This place is great. I moved from the central coast of Cali, and we have never been happier.

BTW Pahrump now has high speed access I have it set up here, its wireless (802.11B) and they do have to stick a small antenna on your house, but its great and fast.
 
7.62FullMetalJacket
Do you live in Cedar City ?
I love Cedar City. Beautiful town and spectacular surroundings.
I have considered moving there. I work with a guy that lives there. Another guy I work with lives in Enterprise. A few guys live in St. George. But, I don't really think it would work out. I am single, watch Monday night football every week at the brothel, drink beer, chew Copenhagen..............
 
I wouldn't rule out New Hampshire just because of the weather. We get a whole six months out of the year without snow!

Property taxes are high ($40 per $1000 of property value a year, last I knew) but you can get lots of land for less money. I rent, so it's not a problem. People ask me, "well, isn't the property tax passed on to you from landlord to tenant?" Maybe it is, but I'm paying $150 less per month versus my old place in Beverly, MA, for an apartment that's 50% larger. But I suppose this might be like saying that I love being beaten with cudgels because it hurts so much less than whips.

There are plenty of places to live in southern NH that are within an hour of Boston, although that number can change radically during rush hour.

Firearms laws are nothing less than outstanding. Only our neighbor Vermont does it better, and it's a close call, as CCW permits are blitheringly easy to get in NH.
 
Cast my vote for Oregon, either Washington or even better, Clackamas County. Clackamas doesn't have as high taxes, the public transit is quite good, Oregon is a Class 3 State, though there is income tax, there is no sales tax.

Vancouver, Washington is also a good choice, no income tax, but high sales tax and no Class 3.
 
Lubbock, TX

Come out to Lubbock and I'll show you the sights. A little info...

Sunny most of the year. Spring and summer thunderstorms, but they clear rapidly and cause the most wonderful sunsets.

Temps
Summer - Avg high 95-100, avg low 80-85
It is not uncommon for use to have several weeks a year with high temps at or above 100. On occassion, we will see daytime temps in the one-teens. Evenings are usually mild with a light breeze.

Winter - Avg high 60-70, avg low 30-40
It is unusual for us to have many days of hard sub-freezing temps here in Lubbock, but they do occur on occasion and usually last no more than 2-3 days.

Spring and Fall are usually pleasant beyond all imagination. We do have a prevailing southwest wind in springtime that can get quit gusty at times. Generally they are in the 10-15 mph range, but on occasion we will have a day with 50+ mph sustained winds. Not a lot, but they do occur.

Lubbock....

Population - 206000 (appx)
Economy Base - agriculture, education, some industry, some technology
Colleges and Teaching facilities (partial list)
- Texas Tech University
- Lubbock Christian University
- South Plains College
- Wayland Baptist University

Local Attractions - partial
- Texas Tech University Museum
- Texas Tech University Ranching Heritage Center
- The Buddy Holly Museam
- The Lubbock Lake Landmark archaeological site
- Buffalo Springs Lake (small)
- Many civic parks and small playa lakes
- Yellowhouse Canyon Lake Complex

Area Attractions - partial (most are less than 2 hours away)
- Caprock Canyons State Park
- Post Old Mill Trade Days
- Palo Duro Canyon State Park(second largest in U.S.)
- Carlsbad Caverns National Park (3.5 hrs)
- Ruidoso (skiing, gambling, and Ruidoso Downs - 4.0 hrs)

Traval Times (driving) to common destinations
- Amarillo .. 2 hrs
- Dallas .. 6 hrs
- Houston .. 10 hrs
- Albequrque .. 5 hrs
- Sante Fe .. 5 hrs
- Taos Ski Valley .. 7hrs
- Wolf Creek Pass, CO .. 10 hrs
- Flagstaff, AZ .. 9 hrs
- Denver, CO .. 10 hrs
- Oklahoma City, OK .. 6 hrs
- Tulsa, OK .. 8 hrs (Wannenmacher's gun show!!!!!!)

Economic
- No state income tax
- Local sales tax is 8.25%
- Local property tax rate is appx 2.475% inside the city, 1.975% outside.
- Average price for a previously-owned 1500 sq ft 3 bed, 2 bath, 2 car garage home in average condition is $100,000 - $125,000
- Average price for a new construction of the same home is $125,000 - $150,000.
- Average utilities for the above home would be
> Summer - Electric $175-$200, natural gas $20, water $60-$90
> Winter - Electric $60-$80, natural gas $75-$100, water $30-$50
- Gasoline price as of this morning for mid-grade (88-89 octane) unleaded is $1.55
- A gallon of milk is $2.85 - $3.25
- A dozen eggs is $1.09
- Cigarrettes (if you smoke) are $3.49 per pack, or $24.99 per carton
- Average range fee is $3.25 per hour (outdoor) or $9 per day (indoor)
- We have 4 excellent locally owned gun shops, plus two Super WalMarts, an Oshmans Sporting goods, and a new Academy Sporting Goods store.
- Average price for a pair of Wrangler or Levi's jeans is $28
- Almost every major restaurant chain has a presence here, including Krispy Kreme.
- You are never more than a few minutes away from a convenience store or major supermarket even if you live in the middle of a neighborhood.
- Lubbock is easy to navigate. Everything is laid out in nice squares with street names in alphabetic and numeric order. Heck, even my mother can navigate here.

Crime
- Very low. Most crimes are the generic silliness that you see most anywhere (vandalism, stolen lawnmowers, etc). A truly violent crime is a thankful rarity.

In General
Lubbock is a neat place. We have the population to support all the "big city" services but still have the small town feel. A local ordinance prohibits big, gaudy signs, so Lubbock is not cluttered with a bunch of ugly signs up and down the road. We have an endless loop around the entire town that allows you to get from one side of town to the other in under 20 minutes, and that's in heavy traffic (all directions in Lubbock begin with "Get on the loop...").

Lubbock sits square in the middle of the Llano Estacado (for the linquistically challenged, it's pronounced "YA-no estacado"). It's the largest area of nearly level land in the continental U.S. Translation - Lubbock is FLAT!! Outside of town it's possible to see the lights of towns 40-50 miles away.

The entire south plains is dotted with small 1500-5000 pop towns, so there is plenty of place to move if you don't like Lubbock proper. Also, Lubbock doen't fade away as you get further from the city center. It just STOPS. The edges of down are well dilineated, so you can be a country dweller on a couple of acres and still be less than 10 minutes from milk and gas.

We do have high-speed internet service. ISDN, DSL, and T1 are all available locally, although you'll have to go with some type of wireless service if you live outside the city.

Best of all, when you get your Texas CHL you can walk into any local shop, present your CHL, and GO HOME WITH YOUR GUN!!

If I can help with anything, give me a ring at 806-781-8838

Brad



Just for fun, I've included this tongue-in-cheek poke at Lubbock life for your enjoyment...


CRITICAL SURVIVAL INFORMATION FOR LIVING IN LUBBOCK

Lubbock has many houses of worship. The two largest are Jones Stadium and United Spirit Arena.

Lubbock has the annual "Taste of Lubbock". This is not to be confused with the event during dust storm season, known as the "Taste of Lubbock Landscape".

Lubbock is tolerant of all sexes, temperaments, races, creeds, colors, and sexual orientations just as long as they are a good coach.

Lubbock encourages alcohol sales by putting all the liquor stores are just outside the city limits. That way, you have to buy an extra sixer for the drive home.

The two biggests sports in Lubbock are 1) Tech Football, and 2) the drunken brawl after the game.

Lubbock has a ten-year wierdness cycle. In the early 70's it was a tornado. In the early 80's it was the expected appearance of the Virgin Mary. In the early 90's it was an earthquake (okay, so it was actually in Odessa. Close 'nuff). In the early 2000's it was a Tech professor making up stories about destroying a batch of deadly viruses. Statisticians predict the cycle will continue in the early 2000-teens when a Lubbock driver will intentionally use a turn signal.

The two hardest things to find in Lubbock are bad barbeque and a good parking space near Texas Tech.

The Lubbock paper publishes a daily prayer on the front page. It's appropriate given the fact that there isn't a prayer of finding anything else worth reading in there.

Yes, we have a newscaster who's name sounds like "Abnormal Testes".

All traffic directions begin with "Get on the Loop" and end with "Get off the Loop". Unfortunately they usually omit the middle part - "..if you survive the Loop".

It took 3 decades for Lubbock to forgive Buddy Holly for being a heathen rock & roll singer and finally honor him for being a music pioneer. Given this history, Natalie Maines doesn't stand a chance.

Lubbock has a somewhat successful minor league hockey franchise. They are pretty sure that it is because of the sport's popularity, and that it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that it's the only sporting event in Lubbock where you can buy beer.

Sometime in the far future, when archeologists dig up the centuries-old remains of Lubbock, we are pretty sure that the Loop will still be under construction.

AND FOR DEALING WITH THE TYPICAL LUBBOCKITE.....

Lubbock is the heart and soul of West Texas. People from Amarillo, Midland, or Odessa are just wannabes. And don't you forget it.

"Lamesa" can only be properly pronounced by a native. Forget what your high school spanish teacher taught you, it's "luh-mee-suh" and everybody knows it.

Most bizarre actions can usually be accredited to the individual being from Amarillo.

An hour of thunder and lightning will produce no rain, while a small cloud north of town will dump enough water in 5 minutes to cause massive city-wide flooding.

Local TV forecasters, being both sadists and manic depressives, will warn you to run for the hills at the first sign of rain, but report 4-inch hail covering the entire south half of Lubbock as "an unconfirmed severe weather event".

It's not a dust storm until you can't see your driveway from your front door. Everything else is "just a little wind and blowing dust".

Lubbock has it's own set of traffic rules. They are as follows:
- Tailgating is mandatory.
- A person intering from a side street is required to wait until you are less than 50 yards away before pulling out into the street.
- The Loop has no beginning, no end, and the speed limit signs are there only as an amusing suggestion.
- The morning rush hour is from 7:55 to 8:05, and the afternoon rush hour is from 4:55 to 5:30. The extra time for evening rush hour is to give you time to pick up some bar-b-que for dinner.
- A traffic jam means you have to wait for the light to change twice.
- One snowflake will means you must drive 20 mph under the speed limit. Four inches of snow or ice requires that you drive 20 mph over the speed limit.
- Actually slowing down for a yellow light will usually result in a call to your insurance agent.
- Entry and exit ramps are there only as a recommendation. Feel free to use any flat spot adjacent to the roadway.


Shoot Safe!
Brad
 
You might want to try New Jersey, sure we have high property taxes.state income and sales taxes and they are going to double the gas tax but to even it out we have bumper to bumper traffic cold snowy winters And some of the most restrictive,assinine gun laws in the country....What the hell amI doing here
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Knoxville, TN...fits all your requirements.

1) Good weather most of the year (prefer warmer to colder)

Mild winters, hot summers, very little extreme weather.

2) Want rural setting, but relatively near (ie, 1-2 hour drive) metro center with conveniences and culture

Knoxville is pretty small-towney and green, especially if you live in one of the suburbs like Farragut or Powell. Nearest metro areas are Atlanta (2 1/2 hours to the south), and Nashville (2 1/2 hours to the west.)

3) Need high-speed internet access (ISDN OK, prefer faster)

K-town has several DSL and cable high-speed providers. Tamara's crib, for example, is far enough out in the green to have a backyard shooting range, yet she has broadband internet access. Not too shabby.

4) Shall-issue CCW or easy issuance

Check. Shall-issue CCW, good for four years.

5) No state income tax

Check. No income tax in TN, although local sales and property taxes can be somewhat high, depending on location in the state. It'll still be less of a tax load than most any locale in CA, though.

6) No laws against AR-15s, std.cap mags, Class III, etc.

TN is a class III state that allows everything as long as the Feds are OK with it....evil black rifles, regulkar capacity magazines, full-auto and suppressors, etc.

7) Low crime

East TN has fairly low crime. West and Central TN are largely rural. Just stay away from Memphis and metro Nashville.
 
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