Europeans claiming they invented WWW

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They absolutely claim 1989. But the movie "War Games" with Broderick was made in 1983. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086567/

That was a movie, so the notion of connecting computers together for military purpose was much earlier. I do not know the date at which the military in the US connected to others for strategics. I would have to guess some time in the early to mid 1970's. That is the true beginnings of the internet, and by the way was totally open with no security. The only security was the presence of direct lines between nuclear sites.

I cannot verify any of these claims, but I have heard or read them before. Please do not take these claims as mine alone.

DCH
 
Didn't Gore invent this one night inhis kitchen, right after he rolled out the Internet protocols.
 
Ya know if they don't like it let them figure out their own networking and software and build it and then they can control it.
 
I'd always heard that the internet was born out of the desire for Universities to share information between each other...
 
The article is correct, you have to remember that the Internet is not the same thing as the web. DARPA (and/or Al Gore) developed the networking protocols that the Internet is based on. Tim Berners Lee played a role in developing software and standards for the web servers and browsers that we use today.

Some of you may find this hard to believe but the Internet existed perfectly happily with no WWW for about 13 years. Back in those dark days :rolleyes: we had to use things like Gopher, WAIS, FTP and unfortunately even USENET (which was still a cesspool but not as much so as today) to communicate. And there was email too, and there was no spam in the modern sense of it. Then one day this evil villain named "Steve Case" came along and sent AOL floppy disks to everyone on Earth and it's been pretty much downhill ever since.
 
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I'd always heard that the internet was born out of the desire for Universities to share information between each other...
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I was at one of the early tcp/ip implementation meetings at BBN - I was there from SRI, others were from USC-ISI, MIT, BBN and some various military agencies. I vividly remember Vint Cerf putting up a slide where Boston had been nuked and then a discussion about the lack of the 1822 protocol to be able to auto-route around a problem like this. I'd done work on 1822 and there were 3-4 of us from SRI who were tasked with rolling out a working replacement. Early implementation of TCP/IP wasn't done for Universities -the protocol was implemented to demonstate the viability of automatic route configuration to the military who needed it for various command and control projects that were on-going. I've still got a full set of the first implementation specifications that were published by SRI-NIC. It was a fun project to work on - lots of late nights.
 
times change... it is what it is now, keep up or just outdate yourself with inklings of nostalgia of the past. sure it was comfortable in its simplicity back in the day.. but things have evolved.
 
Kurush - don't forget about telnet! I even had to use it last year to access some research at my old college.

And wasn't it Steve Case and not Steve Jobs that inundated us with AOL disks?
 
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Kurush - don't forget about telnet! I even had to use it last year to access some research at my old college.

And wasn't it Steve Case and not Steve Jobs that inundated us with AOL disks?
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Yep typo on my part. Of course, how could I forget telnet! Like SSH, but everyone on earth can see your password! Good times.
 
Kurush said:
Some of you may find this hard to believe but the Internet existed perfectly happily with no WWW for about 13 years. Back in those dark days :rolleyes: we had to use things like Gopher, WAIS, FTP and unfortunately even USENET (which was still a cesspool but not as much so as today) to communicate.
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damn it I miss telnetting :(
 
Interesting article, especially when the UN and EU are trying to get TAXES of the web... What they are doing is underlaying reasoning that the own it. Within a few years you will see a number of stories coming from the SMSM about the smart foriegners and how we really owe them tax money...

Just a xenophobic moment... Watch history, and remember the transnational socialists use creeping incrementalism to get their message into the national psyche. (tin foil off... where did my meds go...)
 
Mongo mutters truth.
The entire story resembles who invented baseball. Lots of people, lots of protocols/rules, lots of time. There was no single invention of the internet (sorry al-Gore). IP6 is equivalent to the infield fly rule: they happened deep into the history of the "invention". But they are parts of the "invention". Baseball and the internet are still being invented.
 
I was at one of the early tcp/ip implementation meetings at BBN
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I work for the part of Verizon that used to be BBN. In fact, my first email address with this company was @bbn.com. I was so very disapointed to lose that one for an @verizon.com address instead. :(

It was BBN-GTE-Verizon.

Chris
 
Been reading Angels and Demons have we???

Then one day this evil villain named "Steve Case" came along and sent AOL floppy disks to everyone on Earth and it's been pretty much downhill ever since
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Boy, ain't that the truth. I remember we had Prodigy and Compuserve early on and there was no spam, no viruses, nothing.

Greg
 
The article is correct, you have to remember that the Internet is not the same thing as the web.
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Exactly.

The Internet is a network. (*buh*)

The web is an application.
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Then one day this evil villain named "Steve Case" came along and sent AOL floppy disks to everyone on Earth and it's been pretty much downhill ever since.
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Hey I like my AOL :D

And them little disks and CD's I get every weak make nice coasters for drinks
 
I remember we had Prodigy and Compuserve
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And GEnie and The Source (?) and e-World.

I remember Prodigy had a bad rep among Mac users (late 80s) because it was originally (IIRC) owned by Sears and IBM, and had a bad habit of deleting any unflattering comments about itself. Compuserve and especially early AOL had large Mac-specific sections (I think AOL originally derived from an Apple project). When they dropped their Mac support, I dropped them. (Not an easy thing getting AOL to terminate your account.) By this time the Internet included the web, and there was no reason to suffer AOL’s limitations.

However, in the late 80s AOL was pretty cool. Free diskettes if nothing else. :)

Before all that, there were BBSs.
 
Anybody remember the PLATO system (Control Data and the University of Illinois)?

Plasma screens, way back in the 70's.
 
Oh Pooh!!

I remember PLATO - I even had an authors account! Mostly used it for playing the "Mines of Moria" though.

Dude - you must be old :D
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rick_reno said:
I was at one of the early tcp/ip implementation meetings at BBN - I was there from SRI, others were from USC-ISI, MIT, BBN and some various military agencies. I vividly remember Vint Cerf putting up a slide where Boston had been nuked and then a discussion about the lack of the 1822 protocol to be able to auto-route around a problem like this. I'd done work on 1822 and there were 3-4 of us from SRI who were tasked with rolling out a working replacement. Early implementation of TCP/IP wasn't done for Universities -the protocol was implemented to demonstate the viability of automatic route configuration to the military who needed it for various command and control projects that were on-going. I've still got a full set of the first implementation specifications that were published by SRI-NIC. It was a fun project to work on - lots of late nights.
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My understanding is that the TCP/IP protocol was developed (as you say) with routing-around-failed-nodes in mind, but the original "hey let's connect university mainframes together" was DARPA's "let's spend less money" answer to every university wanting their own mainframe. To that end, I peg the birth of the Internet at 1st October 1969 (only coincidentally 7 days after my own birth :p ) when the first mainframe sent a few ASCII characters to the second mainframe.
 
Another story where people are getting their knickers in a twist for no reason.

It doesn't matter anyway. These days it's always September online. :cuss:
 
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