Ever wonder why some hunters turn into grumpy old codgers in the field.

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Last year during the second combined elk hunt in Colorado two days after we got shot at (Look for my other post "Have you ever wanted to kill another hunter.") My buddy Tim and I packed way back into the high country and Tim shot his 5X5 bull right at dark. I could have bagged a little ole rag horn as well but decided to let him go as I felt we were too far to be packing two bulls out.

In any case Tim made a beautiful 150 yard neck shot on the trotting bull and after a hearty back slapping and a firm hand shake and the obligatory pictures we started into the labor of quartering and loading the bull onto our horses. We use Saddle panniers that ride over the saddle and carry your load out which means you have to lead your critter out.

The pack out was in new snow about a foot deep over some pretty rough country and it took us about 2 hours in the dark to reach the trail head. My horse threw a shoe we had one minor wreck but all in all it went pretty darn well. After reaching the trail head it took an additional 2 and a half hours to get to the truck. By the time we got to camp it was about 01:00 in the morning.

Needless to say we unloaded fed watered and crashed out. About 07:30 the next morning there is a knock on the camper door. Here stands a man with his hat in his hand. It turns out that this guy and his buddy had shot an elk on the opposite ridge line, way back up in there. He gave me a long protracted story about being from Wisconsin and that he just couldn’t handle the altitude and he’d be glad to pay me if I’d ride back in there and pack out his bull. He told me that the elk was all quartered up and ready to pack, all I had to do was load it.

Being a bit of a softy I reluctantly agreed under the condition that he drive into town and get me some feed for my live stock and some fresh water for the camper. No problem he said. Oh and also I told him it would be later as I had to go into town and get my gilding shod.

It wasn’t until 15:00 when I got back to the trail head saddled up and started up the ridge to retrieve the hunters bull. After about an hour of steep rough riding I found the bull and much to my surprise there he lay, one whole, none quartered carcass. The second shock came when I went to looking for the tag and found a resident Co tag attached to the bull…

Now I’m thinking Ok what the hell is going on here. I should have saddled up and rode home. But I figured that I’m here I might as well get the job done. So I got out my pack saw and a skinning knife and quartered and caped out the bull loaded it in the now pitch black rocky mountain night. Thank god my horse is about as rock solid as any mountain horse that ever walked the hills. This was no situation for a jittery horse.

The pack out was a crumbled steep dark downhill run with several moments of shear terror as my big gilding lost his footing several times and came sliding down the trail on top of me. The trail head parking lot was a welcome sight.

As I approached the trail head the two hunters were in their suburban waiting for me. The first thing I noticed is that these boys had an entirely different demeanor about them. “ It had gone from please help me sir” to “what the hell took you so long”. As I was getting around to unloading the horse I asked the main guy “Who’s tag is on this bull?” None of your business was the curt reply. Now I’m thinking ok this ain’t good and I’m up a creek as I am now an accessory to poaching.

I played this guys bluff a bit and told him that if he didn’t want me to pack this friggin bull that was now quartered and so nicely packed, all the way back up that friggin hill , where I was then going to call the DOW, that he’d better come clean. The guy shuffled his feet a bit and told me a cock and bull story about how the tag was his cousins and how his cousin had actually shot the bull and that they were just hunting with him and that the cousin had gone back to Denver to take care of his family. I was too tired to argue with the guy so I let it rest. Unloaded his bull for him. But it was plainly obvious that these guys had shot this bull on somebody else’s tag.

But here is the kicker the guy actually had the balls to accuse me of trying to steal his tenderloins. Which I had packed in separate plastic bags to keep them safe from being lost in the dark. I handed him his loins, disgustedly spit a wad of tobacco on the ground loaded my horse in the trailer. In the meantime our Wisconsin “sportsmen” drove off with out another word. No thank you ,no screw off, nothing.

I wasted a whole afternoon of hunting, risked my live stock and myself and what did I get for it? A possible poaching conviction and the knowledge that I helped two of the most surly, ungrateful, crooked, Yankee bastard, SOB’s in the woods pack out their illegally shot elk.

So here is moral of the story if you ever see a gray Dodge 1 ton pick up parked in a camp with a giant muscled up red roan gilding and are thinking about asking for some help packing your elk out. The answer is most likely, from now on NO!!!! And now you know why. :barf:

Sincerely

Greg
 
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I thought it was because we were wet, cold, tried, hungry and hadn't seen a deer all day. :neener:


H&H that sounds like the hunting trip from Heck. How come the other "hunter" didn't go with you to pack it out ???? I would have gotten CPO's involved once I found the tag that didn't match the story.

Yes, I've ended my hunt to help family, friends and other hunters track their deer. I made a lifelong friend by offering to help a guy I had never met before track his deer a while back. But if I smelled something fishy, I'd be backing away slowly and getting help to LE. Fortunately, never had that experience. (We need a knocking on wood smilie also.)
 
H&H,

I always figured you for a tenderloin thief...ever since that day when you complained about your loins being tender.

brad cook
 
to date, i have always helped other hunters when they were in need. generally these were more inexperienced hunters, and were truly in need of a little guidance. one time it was an older feller who just didn't have enough oomph in him to finish getting his deer to the camp and into the truck - didn't take my brother and myself but an hour to help him out and get back to our hunt. hardly enough to whine about - when the 'helpee' is truly grateful.

however, i guaran-damn-tee that if something like your series of events happened to me, i woulda had the warden out there in one helluva hurry. i would certainly not be party to poaching, and by not reporting it, it is being supported. and by supporting it, it won't stop. poachers are the worst kind of slob, too... generally, along w/ their sloppy behavior, they are the ones crapping everything up, spotting game thru their rifle scope, etc...

it sucks to have something as fun as a hunt turned into a hellish experience like that. sorry for your wrecked hunt!
 
You're a good man!

Don't let it get ruined for someone who may truly need your help...and who may, in turn remember your help, and do the same for others. But I WOULD NOT help anyone the minute the first lie is uncovered. My grandady always said if someone will lie to ya, they'll steal from ya. (And probably are doing so as they speak) even though you got hosed on that... I still have respect for ya as being a damn good soul. :cool:
 
H&H, here's a bit wisdom from down Arkansas way.

Ain't no Yankee like a Damn Yanke......

hillbilly
 
H&H,

When the tag did not jive with the story you should have walked away, spoken with the "HUNTERS" to make sure it was their elk and reported them.

You did report them, didn't you?


Respectfully,

jkelly
 
Ya should of stashed it a quarter mile up the trail head and got some answers after explaining that you couldn't find a "cleaned and quartered" elk with a non-resident tag.
 
"No good deed goes unpunished."

I gues the main lesson is that when the first lie, "It's quartered" etc. was caught out, it was time to either bail out and go away or bail out and find a game warden.

Or, if you figure that the meat shouldn't be wasted, do the quartering and packing and then follow kudu's advice.

They lied? Okay, "Gee, I couldn't find any elk up there that fit your description. G'night." and then head for Mr. G. Warden.

It's hard for me to believe guys would come up with such a cockamamie story in the first place. Y'know, that guy that said, "Trust but verify." wasn't really dumb at all...

Art
 
My boss and I have conversations as of late about how rude and unbelievably arrogant and confrontational some folks can be. Seems like some folks are just looking for a confrontation. A couple of weeks ago, I attended a wedding with my fiance'. Since she was in the wedding party, I volunteered to help out because I could see that they were having trouble getting one of the guys who was manning his post at the CD player to stay put (bride's little brother). I changed the songs as the bride requested before the wedding started. The groom saw that I was helping but instead of thanking me, thought to confront me about it. "You *better* not mess this up for her!" I couldn't believe what I was hearing, so I told him that I was volunteering my services and I didn't *have* to do anything.

Sounds like your guy was the same. Makes you wish you could take it all back. Where do they get off? They must have an arrogance problem and think that you owe it to them. That's all I can figure. Maybe I'm just naive in thinking that everybody should be a "nice" person. :mad:

Were you armed at the time? Was he?
 
Were you armed at the time? Was he?
Haw. I'm sorry, I don't believe you've met H&HHunter... ;)

(Well, neither have I, personally, but I just don't see Greg in the backwoods on a hunting trip without a pistol on, and a rifle near at hand.)



What is it about the Wisconsonians in Colorado making poor impressions?? I had an experience in the San Juan National Forest, north of Pagosa Springs, with some WI guys basically staking out a mountain, building stands up in trees, and blazing trails with machetes, destroying beautiful stands of aspen with 8" wide by 1 foot cuts about every 10 yards. They were very proprietary about "their" mountain. Now, this is public land, and while of course courtesy dictates that you give another hunter space, there is no staking out of areas preemptively, and building stands and tearing trails through the trees was quite against the rules.

I could maybe understand a local being so possessive of an area he and his family has hunted for years, but Winsconsonians?!? Heck, if anything, they had less claim even than us Texans did (and I know that Coloradans have no great love of Texans. [Although, thanks to the Californians, we're beginning to look a lot better, these days!]).

It's utterly wrong to generalize about hunters from an entire state, and my apologies to the true sportsman from Wisconsin that I know are out there. But I've got to say, there are unfortunately some emissaries of bad will from your region!
 
Anyone from back East, where the highest elevation is less than 2000ft is suspect for altitude sickness, not enough 02 to the old bean box. Of course hemmorrhoids could figure in there somewhere too, not enough exercise for the task at hand, and beer bellies. Seen em all....I'll stay out West, don't need no cheese.
 
H&H,

I'm willing to help out most anytime. But I would have bailed when I found the unquartered elk. And called the game wardens.

Don't pee on me and try to tell me it's raining.
 
As far as being armed.. ;)

A .375H&H in the scabord and a .44 mag on the hip. As usual.


As far as reporting these guys we did call them in but never heard another word about it. As usual.

I being a recent Coloradian happen to like Texans. They are best served well done and doused in chilli and garlic. :D

In all seriousness I truely enjoy hunting in Texas and the company of Texans in general. Being from NM and now living in CO I figure I'm living in occupied Texas territory anyway... :evil:

I see a lot of midwesterners trying to hunt mule deer and elk like they hunt whitetails back home. When you come out west you've got to think in square miles not acres. Tree stand mentality just don't work in most places out here.
 
I being a recent Coloradian happen to like Texans. They are best served well done and doused in chilli and garlic.

Real Texans don't need dousing, as we already have chilli and garlic flavors in our meat. Similar to a Pronghorn that eats sage all the time. :evil:
 
H&H, there was a guy down here had one of those Texas Crop Failures: The oil came up and ruined his cotton and got his sheep all dirty. So, he bought a bunch of ranch land in the high country in Colorado. He regularly added more acreage.

One time at a Denver cattlemen's gathering, somebody asked him if he was trying to buy up all the land in Colorado.

"Naw, naw, I don't want all the land in Colorado. I just want what's next to me."

:), Art
 
Man, I just cannot be-LIEVE that they did that to you - what a bunch of yardbirds. Wow, yeah, something is definitely wrong if you choose a Green Bay Packer coffin - that's not a fan, that's a devotee of a religion, truly.
 
I being a recent Coloradian happen to like Texans. They are best served well done and doused in chilli and garlic.

Just keep your hands off my tenderloin.

:eek:

brad cook
 
h&h

:neener:
but trust me texas has plenty of jerks, idiots, and morons too, present company excepted of course. sorry your good deed got punished, to bad it may come back to effect someone in the future that could really use the help.
"have fun outdoors" :D
 
Grumpy Old Men with Guns.... I believe the comparison between drunks is appropriate and relates well to older gentlemen who have become set in their ways... some drunks get down right aggressive qnd others just get mellow (with age). The stories about no thank you's really irritates my sense of fair play.
 
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