Everyday body armor?

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Hey everyone,

My friend lives in a section of Philadelphia that has seen alot of shootings and robberies recently. He is a white kid in a black majority area and rides a bicycle courier route. He was curious as to what type of body armor would be sufficient for a bicyclist in the city. He told me he was thinking of getting a steel plate and putting it in his backpack as he rode his bike. I told him thats a good idea but its heavy and only provides protection from the rear.

I was thinking of something along the lines of light weight armor that can be worn under a regular shirt and is not too hot for the summer time. I however, do not have a list of manufacturers or levels or armor I should reccommend. The gun crime in the city ranges from .22 to .45 caliber when it comes to handguns. Rifle and shotgun crimes happen, but his area has seen a rash of handgun robberies and shootings. So he is more worried about small caliber threats.

Also, Im not aware of the law in Philadelphia regarding personal ownership of body armor. But thats not hear or there. Im just asking what type what be preferrable for his situation.

Any suggestions?

Thank You
 
Body armor does not breathe at all and insulates quite well. I am thinking your friend will be reevaluating his potential risks rather quickly if he wears even light body armor while working as a bike courier in the summer.Plus he is going to have to wash the carrier every night because it is going to be absolutely soaked in sweat...
 
He is prepared for that situation. He was looking into the body armor the the police use on their bike patrols. However the distributors sell to police/military only.

thanks for the info though.
 
If it's for everyday wear in an athletic context, he better spend some bux for the lightest, most flexible IIA he can find. IMO, level II is too heavy and stiff for that purpose. (That's what I keep in the closet for then things go bump in the night)


http://www.bulletproofme.com/
 
Inexpensive, good quality

I got mine from: http://www.keepshooting.com/selfdefense/bulletproof-vest/kevlar-bulletproof-vest.htm

The worn bottom edge on the nylon taffeta that covered the kevlar had to be sewn up, but other than that, they received a clean bill of health from my local dealer and a few officers.

Second Chance sells a K30 steel plate that can be placed in a pocket on the front of the carrier. $65 for the 7 x10"

Under Armor, Magnum, and other companies make shirts composed of a fabric that wicks away sweat and keeps you cooler ($15), and I'm investigating special inserts that allow the vest to breathe and keep you truly cool.

Topgunner
 
Definitely stick with woven kevlar or twaron armor. No laminates, no composites, no ultra-whatever. Absolutely no Zylon. Woven kevlar or twaron.

Even though the laminates like Spectra and Goldflex are lighter and thinner and more flexible on paper, people have found that they are hotter than woven vests (they don't breathe), and tend to "curl" and dig into your sides with wear. Laminates also offer inferior protection against contact shots. The heat from the muzzle blast will both melt the laminate material and blow the fibers to the sides, resulting in a very huge hole in the vest, even if the bullet is stopped.

Zylon is just plain bad performing. Bigger dents when comparing vests of the same rating with the same rounds, and they were almost always penetrated by contact shots.

Oh, yeah. Get armor that fits. You want it to be as tight fitting as possible. Ever fire a shotgun or high powered rifle with the stock a short distance from your shoulder? Same thing.
 
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some years ago there was a company making sport coats and jackets that gave at least some protection to stabbings and small caliber rounds. i have not seen tehm for years. but I know a property manager who bought one and pretty sure it saved his life.
 
UnderArmor, and similar undershirts, are your friend.

This stuff does get hot, also you need one size larger shirt over the top unless you already wear a loose shirt.

Level II or IIIA are the only kinds to consider, II stops most 9mm FMJ, the most likely threat. IIA does not.

Have him get a cheap used vest and try wearing it for a week first, just to see what he thinks of the whole thing. It takes a bit of getting used to.

Never tried wearing armor while performing physically demanding activities, but the folks I knew who did sweated out even more than me. And under the circumstances I would have gladly worn armor myself, had it been available.
 
RyanM - thanks for pointing out that the armor should FIT.

Manufacturer's point this out in their catalogs, but the importance of proper fit might not be adequately communicated to someone buying used BA.

I started getting annoyed at the vest shifting around and riding up on me - making it both less comfortable and less concealable - so I started pulling the straps really tight and velcro-ing them onto half the strip, one above the other. This started making the vest sort of scrunch up - so I put a piece of 1/8" plywood cut to size and sanded smooth into the pocket for the ballistic plate (until I get the K30) and it helped a lot.

When I get REALLY hot, I just hook my thumbs under the sides of the front panel and fan myself by flapping the panel back & forth to get some air circulating and dry myself out. It's the trapped moisture that'll get ya - stay dry and stay comfy.

I'm waiting for somebody to come up with an under-armor made of stiff wire - like those car seat covers that allowed air to circulate underneath you and behind your back. With a fan to circulate air. And an air conditioner that fits on your belt. Yeah. And hot gun magazine chicks to feed me grapes. :rolleyes:

Topgunner
 
Despite the whole Zylon fiasco, Richard Davis is right on the money about the NIJ vest ratings being absolute bunk.

Second Chance did so well because they predicated their armor lineup on the basis that a thinner vest that's wearable and ON YOU is better than a heavy vest in the trunk of your car. And the funny thing about the vest someone's willing to wear is that it's always better than an unworn vest, no matter how strong it is. :)

The NIJ vest ratings are a sham. When you take the modeling clay "backface deformation" (i.e. How big's the dent?) out of the equation, and look solely at penetration, lower rated vests begin to look a lot better. And you're much more likely to better your odds by wearing it more.
 
I'm waiting for somebody to come up with an under-armor made of stiff wire...

Chainmaille, perhaps?

I'm almost serious - the stuff weighs quite a bit, but is perfectly flexible, ventilated, and distributes impact very well (Yes, former SCA'er here...).
A lighter version (aluminum links?) as a ventilation liner to standard body armor might even be practical.
 
Rick O'Shea, it only weighs a lot if you don't know how to make it correctly... I have a suit of titanium armor - it weighs in at 6.8lbs. Just under seven pounds for armor is nothing at all.
 
How does ordering from these companies work? They seem to have rather opaque sales operations.
 
Rick O'Shea, it only weighs a lot if you don't know how to make it correctly... I have a suit of titanium armor - it weighs in at 6.8lbs. Just under seven pounds for armor is nothing at all.

Titanium?
Geez, Third_Rail, we used to joke/fantasize about finding a coil of titanium wire in the Engineering dept. dumpster...

Mine was made properly, I assure you, but of good old-fashioned 16 gauge steel wire; weighed in at a little over 40 pounds.
Even so, the weight distributes pretty evenly when you have it on, and a heavy belt keeps it all from hanging on your shoulders.

Titanium?
Seriously?
You tha man!
 
How does ordering from these companies work? They seem to have rather opaque sales operations.
Body armor usually isn't something you can just put in an online shopping cart and have delivered to your door a few days later. At minimum, you need to be carefully sized, and that requires some interafction between you and the seller. It's be better still to have your vest custom made to fit you, sorta like a carefully tailored suit.

So, the usual way to order is to contact them by phone. That way you and they can communicate back and forth, to make sure you get what you really need. They may even refer you to a local shop that offers their products, so that one of the staff who knows the product can measure you up properly.
 
You might check Galls.com as an online source. They sell law enforcement gear. I'm not sure if they have a policy or not pertaining to armor sales to civilians.
 
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I lived in Philadelphia's University City section for about five years. Gunfire was a constant thing but after a few months of living there, I stopped hearing it. It's not that it went away, it's that I simply became that used to it.

About two years ago I was doing my normal jogging circuit which took me from my apartment, over the Spring Garden bridge, and to the art museum. It was a 1 mile run from my doorstep to the Museum, so figure about two miles a day running which is just enough to keep me from getting fat sitting in Drexel's classes. Drexel's firearms policy is "forbidden". You're not allowed to have them in class, you're not allowed to have them in the dorms, and you're not allowed to have them on Drexel's property, which is why the area is enjoying a resurgence in the crime rate. Drexel's idea of "safe" is to put those useless blue security poles up everywhere and put cameras up. As far as I'm concerned, I know that will make for some interesting viewing at my funeral. But that's beside the point which is that the University City area is becoming more dangerous. It's actually quite sad since I've seen the "DMZ" expand out past 40th and Lancaster, only to be met with in upsurge in crime as wealthier (and possibly more naive) people move into the recently improved areas.

About two years ago, I was doing my normal route and 'in the zone' which means 'not paying attention'. My Spider Sense went off and I realized I was being followed by someone wearing dark clothes and a dark puffy jacket on a bike (in summer). I'm wearing jogging shoes, a tee shirt, and shorts and not carrying a wallet or cellphone which means it's going to be hard to placate a potential mugger. I was smart enough to run up the steps and into the well lit area but unfortunately for me in this time of the afternoon, the normal doormen to the museum had left and no-one was around. I sat on the steps for about 20 minutes and no-one came by, and I couldn't find the guy. I started my jog back and realized he was behind me again. I happened to have my BS folding multitool on me, which has an all-but-useless small folding blade. I went into my pockets, pulled out the blade, and held it out beside me to let him know I wasn't going to go quietly into the good night and he decided to turn down 32nd st. Which was good enough for me to set the land speed record for running all the way back to the apartment.

That night I applied for a CCW and now carry any time I'm in Philly. It's simply not worth your life. While I feel for your friend in his situation, I think the solution is not wearing body armor but having a more proactive stance. Your friend might be hit by stray fire, but then he's just as likely to be hit in the head or thigh as he is in the chest (probably moreso on his legs considering he's probably sitting high on the bike and shooters are probably aiming for the center of mass and bullets drop). On the other hand, if he's being robbed and subsequently shot, there's a darn good chance someone is going to shoot him in the face or at least realize that he's not bleeding. The inexperienced violent criminal might let him go with a few rounds to the vest but the face-to-face robber is going to get on him, ask for his wallet (or not -- dead people don't say no) and put the clip in him. I think much better advice is to tell him to spend his money on a gun first, then a vest. At least then if he goes down, it'll be shooting, and he might get lucky and be able to kill the bad guy before he's dead.

Now, getting your CCW in Philly is a hairy matter. He's going to have to make a LOT of noise to get it pushed through or use an alternate address outside of Philly. Street has raised the signal-to-noise ratio on getting a permit and I've had friends who have had no trouble and friends who have had to call the station to raise hell before the paperwork was pushed through. My advice is to use his parents address or a relative who lives outside of city limits. To be honest, they don't check the address too hard and give your references just a passing interview of "Is he an alcoholic? Does he have a history of violence? Would there be any reason not to arm him?" They didn't even call one of my references. To quote the Philadelphia police for for college students wanting their CCW, "Please apply for a permit using your permanent address" which I've taken to mean, "Don't feel like you can't have this, but make our lives easier and register for it somewhere where the mayor isn't an idiot about gun policy".

But any further questions, feel free to check my profile and send an e-mail or IM.
 
I don't know if they still make it, but Second Chance used to make a vest specifically for bicyclists. I think it was shaped so that it would be comfortable for the rider to have his arms forward on the handles.
 
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