Everyone is Concerned About Gas Prices...
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I'm concerned about;
The rising price of ammunition, which is linked more to increased demand for materials by nations like India and China than it is to the rise in fuel prices.
The rising price of beer.
Countries like Canada (oil sands) and Venezuela (heavy crude) and the US (shale oils) have large reserves that are now economically feasible to exploit. Part of our problem is that we don't have the refining capacity and the oil companies have not been spending their subsidies searching for new oil fields.
In the short term I think the situation is bad but this will force us into conserving, changing personal habits, etc. It will also force the country as a whole into searching for new technologies and fuels, which is good.
The rising price of ammunition, which is linked more to increased demand for materials by nations like India and China than it is to the rise in fuel prices.
The rising price of beer.
Countries like Canada (oil sands) and Venezuela (heavy crude) and the US (shale oils) have large reserves that are now economically feasible to exploit. Part of our problem is that we don't have the refining capacity and the oil companies have not been spending their subsidies searching for new oil fields.
In the short term I think the situation is bad but this will force us into conserving, changing personal habits, etc. It will also force the country as a whole into searching for new technologies and fuels, which is good.
we need to end the war. I don't care how. It's not our war...never was. Get every troop home, and that will get rid of alot of that nasty overspending we're doing.
We also need to open more refineries. We didnt even have enough BEFORE one of them went up in flames and a couple others got messed up from the hurricane. We need to rebuild those refineries, plus an extra three or four. We should also consider getting conservation technology in cars out and finalized at a quicker rate. I'm seeing trucks with 25mpg now. Thats like...9 mpg better than they used to be lol. Thenof course you have the oil fields here and in central and south America, and god knows how much in Africa.
do those things and our dollar will be worth a dollar again, and oil and everything else will drop. we'll also get the surplus back that Bush pissed away a year after being elected.
We also need to open more refineries. We didnt even have enough BEFORE one of them went up in flames and a couple others got messed up from the hurricane. We need to rebuild those refineries, plus an extra three or four. We should also consider getting conservation technology in cars out and finalized at a quicker rate. I'm seeing trucks with 25mpg now. Thats like...9 mpg better than they used to be lol. Thenof course you have the oil fields here and in central and south America, and god knows how much in Africa.
do those things and our dollar will be worth a dollar again, and oil and everything else will drop. we'll also get the surplus back that Bush pissed away a year after being elected.
For the first time since the Cuban missile crisis, I'm beginning to think the EOTWAWKI crowd may not be as crazy as I had previously thought.
Much of the world as we know it is predicated on cheap and abundant fossil fuel. Obviously that world is dissolving before our eyes. We have no mass public transit systems in this country. We buried the rail system over fifty years ago. Greyhound, Trailways, and the other big bus companies are gone. Mid-sized cities that have heretofore subsidized city busses are cutting services because of fuel costs. School systems are wondering how they can bus students next year. I live in a rural county with zero industry. People work in adjoining counties. Now many are simply quitting their jobs. After they pay for gasoline, they have less take-home pay than they would receive on the dole.
I have a great range at my home, and I reload and have an ample supply of ammo, but I also live on a fixed income and know that when a round from my stock goes down range that I cannot afford to replace it. I think I will just lay in a large supply of .22 ammo and play with that, using just enough center-fire to stay sharp.
But whatever you purchase or lay by, do so with the knowledge that a "brave new world" is dawning, and that even now, things and conditions are already present that most of us cannot yet clearly see. It ain't gonna be pretty.
Much of the world as we know it is predicated on cheap and abundant fossil fuel. Obviously that world is dissolving before our eyes. We have no mass public transit systems in this country. We buried the rail system over fifty years ago. Greyhound, Trailways, and the other big bus companies are gone. Mid-sized cities that have heretofore subsidized city busses are cutting services because of fuel costs. School systems are wondering how they can bus students next year. I live in a rural county with zero industry. People work in adjoining counties. Now many are simply quitting their jobs. After they pay for gasoline, they have less take-home pay than they would receive on the dole.
I have a great range at my home, and I reload and have an ample supply of ammo, but I also live on a fixed income and know that when a round from my stock goes down range that I cannot afford to replace it. I think I will just lay in a large supply of .22 ammo and play with that, using just enough center-fire to stay sharp.
But whatever you purchase or lay by, do so with the knowledge that a "brave new world" is dawning, and that even now, things and conditions are already present that most of us cannot yet clearly see. It ain't gonna be pretty.
XD-40 Shooter
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Hey Dm, the oil companies have been asking congress for authorization to explore new oil fields, they are being blocked by the liberal dem's. Its not the oil companies fault, its CONGRESS'S fault! All this talk about obscene profits is misplaced also, the oil companies pay 42% in corporate taxes, they only earn 8.5 cents on the dollar, which is not out of line compared to many other companies.
Harve Curry
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What the he!! is EOTWAWKI
hardhit777
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harve the End Of The World As We Know It, i wish i had a few thousand rounds of ammo for each of my guns stored up. But alas, im fresh out of college and working a job i hate to get one that i like...
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Economic Genocide
We are witnessing a profound change in times. A sort of economic genocide.
It's been said that 10% of the people control 90% of the wealth. The remaining 10% of wealth is now being redistributed. There are folks that are now driving to work with their toothbrush and extra clothes, staying overnight in their cars until the next days shift, because the cost of commuting to and from surrounding counties, has become prohibitive. But this temporary solution has its limits. These people started this when gas hit the $3 mark. I have associates in the oil business who say gas could be $6.50 ~ $7.00 per gallon by Labor Day.
We also see millions of citizens homes being seized by the financial institutions that were their friends only a short time ago. Business owners will soon find out that raising the price of goods and services cannot exceed what Joe Public can eventually afford to pay. The void between the "have's and "have nots" is growing.
Some of you might remember the big energy crisis in California a few years back, where it turns out, markets were being artificially manipulated by some sophisticated investors, causing crazy rates, rolling blackouts, etc., Some of the players were exposed with recordings of their jokes and sarcasm about “little old ladies that can’t afford their utilities and prescriptions” etc. Well, these sophisticated investors who previously ignored the energy sector are now entrenched in oil, electricity, and natural gas. And all rules are off.
Many of you have probably played chess. And things are not always as they appear. The free market laws of supply and demand can be augmented and contorted to the benefit of a select few. The general public swallows hard and wonders when things will get better.
Now people must get used to driving the car they can "afford" not the car they want. They can have the health they can "afford" not the golden insurance they want. Your kids can have the education you can "afford" not the education you want. That is, if you can "afford" the mortgage and property tax it takes to build our sub par social experiment call public schools.
The fun has only begun. :banghead:
We are witnessing a profound change in times. A sort of economic genocide.
It's been said that 10% of the people control 90% of the wealth. The remaining 10% of wealth is now being redistributed. There are folks that are now driving to work with their toothbrush and extra clothes, staying overnight in their cars until the next days shift, because the cost of commuting to and from surrounding counties, has become prohibitive. But this temporary solution has its limits. These people started this when gas hit the $3 mark. I have associates in the oil business who say gas could be $6.50 ~ $7.00 per gallon by Labor Day.
We also see millions of citizens homes being seized by the financial institutions that were their friends only a short time ago. Business owners will soon find out that raising the price of goods and services cannot exceed what Joe Public can eventually afford to pay. The void between the "have's and "have nots" is growing.
Some of you might remember the big energy crisis in California a few years back, where it turns out, markets were being artificially manipulated by some sophisticated investors, causing crazy rates, rolling blackouts, etc., Some of the players were exposed with recordings of their jokes and sarcasm about “little old ladies that can’t afford their utilities and prescriptions” etc. Well, these sophisticated investors who previously ignored the energy sector are now entrenched in oil, electricity, and natural gas. And all rules are off.
Many of you have probably played chess. And things are not always as they appear. The free market laws of supply and demand can be augmented and contorted to the benefit of a select few. The general public swallows hard and wonders when things will get better.
Now people must get used to driving the car they can "afford" not the car they want. They can have the health they can "afford" not the golden insurance they want. Your kids can have the education you can "afford" not the education you want. That is, if you can "afford" the mortgage and property tax it takes to build our sub par social experiment call public schools.
The fun has only begun. :banghead:
Compound problems
Demand for energy is up, but supplies aren't.
All of our deficits are catching up to us which is resulting in devaluation of our dollar on the world market.
Oil is sold in dollars, as the value of the dollar goes down, the price of oil and well as other raw materials will increase.
We are matching post world war Germany economically and we better get our act together fast because if we don't, our economy will tank, that will lead to social disorder and the scared sheeple will choose safety over freedom every time.
That is how the Germans got Hitler by the way.
So what can be done.
For starters, we should have dealt with the issue after the first oil embargo in 1973, certainly no later than 1979 after the 2nd one.
Energy self sufficiency so we can tell OPEC to go *uck *ff is something we can do if we demand our officials take immediate action.
Some of the things we need to do short term.
1. Open up our reserve supply to stablize economy, collect profits and use it to jumpstart increased domestic production of energy.
Things like non food agriculture for alcohol based fuels and biodeisel.
Things like oil from coal, the technology exists.
2. Drill in known oil reserves, even off Gulf Coasts and California and use profits to ramp up alternative and renewable energy sources.
3. Legalize hemp and use crops for all industrial uses, including fuel and replace petroleum based products with natural based products where practical.
4. Ramp up Solar, Wind, Tidal wave technology and Nuclear Power to reduce fossil fuel electric energy sources.
Done right we could not only eliminate our need to import oil which would cut our trade deficit in half, we could actually become a net energy exporter and jump start our economy.
Combine this with other reforms, we not only could stop the rise in fuel prices, but probably create a climate where fuel costs would stablize and then hopefully decrease.
Sadly the only candidate who would be bold enough to put things into play was Ron Paul. Maybe McCain, I don't know.
Certainly not Obama.
Demand for energy is up, but supplies aren't.
All of our deficits are catching up to us which is resulting in devaluation of our dollar on the world market.
Oil is sold in dollars, as the value of the dollar goes down, the price of oil and well as other raw materials will increase.
We are matching post world war Germany economically and we better get our act together fast because if we don't, our economy will tank, that will lead to social disorder and the scared sheeple will choose safety over freedom every time.
That is how the Germans got Hitler by the way.
So what can be done.
For starters, we should have dealt with the issue after the first oil embargo in 1973, certainly no later than 1979 after the 2nd one.
Energy self sufficiency so we can tell OPEC to go *uck *ff is something we can do if we demand our officials take immediate action.
Some of the things we need to do short term.
1. Open up our reserve supply to stablize economy, collect profits and use it to jumpstart increased domestic production of energy.
Things like non food agriculture for alcohol based fuels and biodeisel.
Things like oil from coal, the technology exists.
2. Drill in known oil reserves, even off Gulf Coasts and California and use profits to ramp up alternative and renewable energy sources.
3. Legalize hemp and use crops for all industrial uses, including fuel and replace petroleum based products with natural based products where practical.
4. Ramp up Solar, Wind, Tidal wave technology and Nuclear Power to reduce fossil fuel electric energy sources.
Done right we could not only eliminate our need to import oil which would cut our trade deficit in half, we could actually become a net energy exporter and jump start our economy.
Combine this with other reforms, we not only could stop the rise in fuel prices, but probably create a climate where fuel costs would stablize and then hopefully decrease.
Sadly the only candidate who would be bold enough to put things into play was Ron Paul. Maybe McCain, I don't know.
Certainly not Obama.
So it will get down to what guns you really need to get through this new life. Lets not kid ourselves about what is going to happen to society when fuel get too exspensive for joe average.
Some people today won't put up with going hungry or getting cold because of no fuel. They won't allow themsevles to be forced into being a third world nation without a fight.
I know men who have worked all their life just to see it dissapear because of the market, the banks and the cost of fuel. Soon they will have little to live for and they are getting mad as hell.
How long before it really starts to happen, just watch the price of fuel.
jj
Some people today won't put up with going hungry or getting cold because of no fuel. They won't allow themsevles to be forced into being a third world nation without a fight.
I know men who have worked all their life just to see it dissapear because of the market, the banks and the cost of fuel. Soon they will have little to live for and they are getting mad as hell.
How long before it really starts to happen, just watch the price of fuel.
jj
Economists have long understood what causes increases in prices: it is the creation of money-from-nothing by privately owned central banks, such as the Federal Reserve.
“Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalist System was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and, while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. The sight of this arbitrary rearrangement of riches strikes not only at security, but at confidence in the equity of the existing distribution of wealth. Those to whom the system brings windfalls, beyond their deserts and even beyond their expectations or desires, become ‘profiteers,’ who are the object of the hatred of the bourgeoisie, whom the inflationism has impoverished, not less than of the proletariat. As the inflation proceeds and the real value of the currency fluctuates wildly from month to month, all permanent relations between debtors and creditors, which form the ultimate foundation of capitalism, become so utterly disordered as to be almost meaningless; and the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery.”
Source: John Maynard Keynes, British Economist
“Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalist System was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and, while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. The sight of this arbitrary rearrangement of riches strikes not only at security, but at confidence in the equity of the existing distribution of wealth. Those to whom the system brings windfalls, beyond their deserts and even beyond their expectations or desires, become ‘profiteers,’ who are the object of the hatred of the bourgeoisie, whom the inflationism has impoverished, not less than of the proletariat. As the inflation proceeds and the real value of the currency fluctuates wildly from month to month, all permanent relations between debtors and creditors, which form the ultimate foundation of capitalism, become so utterly disordered as to be almost meaningless; and the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery.”
Source: John Maynard Keynes, British Economist
nerfsrule2
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Thank you MIL-DOT And doobie; Well said.. On Topic- It is time to reload.. First for accuracy, now for necessity....
rugerman07
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Call me paranoid if you want. But, I'm stocking up on ammo, canned goods, & bottled water.
doc2rn
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Are you trying to say there is no such thing as duties and tarriffs?
Are you trying to say that government does not subsidize products to make them competitive?
That only applies to government sponsored trade, not what companies such as exxon or british petroleum are doing with refineries right now. They are making tons of diesel and exporting it to china which only makes it look like there is a shortage here in the states.
moooose102
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actually, now you NEED to reload, so you can afford the gas to go to the gun store, and buy more reloading supplies! its a viscious cycle. but i can think of worse!!
RugerBob
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I parked my 3/4 ton truck and now only use it for dump runs and plowing. Considering my drive to work is 45 mins one way, my new car notes almost equal my gas savings. Fair trade off I guess. Glad I re-load. I have noticed tho that I spend more range time shooting my bolt actions over my semi-autos, and my SA revolvers over my semis. Don't over seas pay more for gas cuz they don't have to pay for med insurance? I believe its partially paid for in there hi gas fees. So, I was told. Free insurance would save the wife and I about 110.00 a week here in maine. Not that I am huntin for that... just my 2 cents. Bob
The closest range for me is almost 45 miles, so I do not go too often although I maintain a membership there. I drive a Ford F250 cc lb diesel and if I want to go I shall, cost be damned. Work, time and other interests, commitments are more of a determining factor. I probably will make it over a couple of more times before the exteme summer heat hits.
skinewmexico
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Kind of like my parents. And grandparents. And great-grandparents. And so on......
It's only been in recent years that Americans think they're entitled to everything they want, regardless of their income.
And as an employee of a domestic oil company, I'm dying to hear how you propose to jumpstart us, without opening FL, CA, and AK.
Limeyfellow
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I would nationalise them like all the power companies are. It not nice but it would rip the speculation out of the market and drop oil prices by half. It sad that even though there is more supply than demand right now, it cheaper to sit on the oil until you can sell at a better price later, unless the price bubble busts like every other time in the past. Oil is such a valuable necessity it is little different than water, that without it the country will go to a stand still.
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