Exotic Shotgun Ammo

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I keep reading about all of these specialty shotgun shells.
Flares, Flatchets, Dragon's Breath, Flash Bangs, OC, Rubber Fins, etc...
Has anyone ever used any of them? What were the results?
 
....specialty shotgun shells.
Flares, Flatchets, Dragon's Breath, Flash Bangs, OC, Rubber Fins, etc...

If those designs worked, Remington, Federal and Winchester would be cranking them out right and left. Police and military would use them.


Instead they are usually sold in ninja/swat/seal/delta force wannabee supply catalogs.
 
The closest thing I have to exotic shotgun loads would be the 00 managed recoil rounds and I think that's nothing more than a lighter load. I'm begining to think that even a lot of the pistol ammo sold is also a bunch of hype when I see pics of expended rounds of various types and extreme price differences but you see no difference otherwise.
 
Yes I have. I have fired the Dragon's Breath on several ocassions. It does produce a very dangerous 50 ft flame. I have since learned that they have been outlawed in Florida.
 
I guess it's safe to assume that the little two inch 12 gauge shells went the same route.
I heard they didn't cycle very well. I think Aquilla made them. 1 1/2" as I recall.
I just pictured me pumping the action, and having the shell fall on the ground.
 
If you want to be the all out Mall Ninja with Dragon's Breath... have one of your buddies set a camera up with the shutter left open longer when you shoot one. That's all they did when they fired them and used that to market them to everyone.
 
I guess it's safe to assume that the little two inch 12 gauge shells went the same route.

Now, that would depend on the 2" shell. There are several makers who make 2" shells for vintage shotguns - and they still do just fine for upland birds. If you're talking about those mini buckshot rounds, that is something different
 
Sniper i agree with everyone else that these rounds are completely useless and let me add this

any of the LTL (less than lethal) rounds that are on the market should not be used in a self defence situation they are easily missinerpreted as an intentional maiming device or worse yet do not STOP the threat which is exactly what is needed in a SD situation

In SD we do not shoot to wound or hurt we shoot to stop the threat any of these specialty rounds will be harder to defend in court because it will be easy to make it sound as if you intentionaly caused malicious harm to your attacker (over use of force)

i know it doesnt make any logical sence to shoot someone with an actual round of ammunition and be in less trouble but lawyers are sneeky devils

as for dragonsbreath unless you wish to replace your shotguns barrel i would avoid these it may be ok to shoot 1 or 2 in a gun but multiple use will do damage to your barrel and they really are not all that fun

also dragonsbreath had absolutly no practical purpose other than to be a novelty

the flechette rounds can scar the inside of your shotgun barrel im not saying they are useless because flechette rounds do have alot of potential but if you use it in SD remember the aposing lawyer will deffinatly remind the jury that the "big bad evil gun owner" had "special ammo" that was designed to "savagly rip the poor defenceless burgaler in half"

there really are no hunting aplications and as for fun it gets expencive quickly

any of the multiple slug or slug and buck loads are not nearly as effective as a real slug or 00 buck load by itself

multiple slug loads are just plain inacurate and thats exactly what a slug was meant for one prjectile shot as accuratly as possable from a smoothbore shotgun

there are commercial multi loads (duplex loads) and these are usualy small shot and large shot and are made for special hunting purposes

rhodesian jungle shot may or may not be effective but i can tell you this
1. no one in rhodesia uses it
2.i can get 15 rounds of remington 00 buck that i KNOW works for the price of 5 of those

so unless you are buying it just for the novelty of having it or useing it on a private range for a fun thing to shoot dont waist your money
 
any of the LTL (less than lethal) rounds that are on the market should not be used in a self defence situation they are easily missinerpreted as an intentional maiming device or worse yet do not STOP the threat which is exactly what is needed in a SD situation
+1
I wasn't asking for SD or HD reasons, I was just wondering...
 
I think Dragon's Breath would make the ideal home defense round. You don't even need to call 911, since your neighbors will do this for you when they see your house in flames.
 
flachettes are supposedly good for the woods and will pierce body armor
i also believed the military used them in vietnam
 
I knew a guy that was a real live bounty hunter. Nabbed guys that jumped bail. When going into some of the projects in Gary, IN., he'd take a 12 gauge with first round load of Dragon's Breath, the rest 4 buck.

A couple of times his intended target saw them coming and called for back-up. A Dragon's Breath fired above the crowd scattered them in a hurry. He said it was rather impressive at 1 am.
 
Sneak a Dragons Breath into friends shotgun in a duck blind just as daylight is breaking. Then watch what happens when the first flight of teal ducks comes screaming acoss the top of the marsh grass and he lets loose! For some strange reason my ancestry was placed in serious doubt that morning. It was worth it! Then that is what 30 yr friendships are all about. Oh yeah-He got even!!!
 
flechettes are good for penetrating concielment (thick brush bramble and bushes) and it was very effective in Nam for the limited use it saw

i dont know about the body armor but i wouldnt want to get shot with it while wearing a vest

i cant completely bash "novelty" or more specificly specialty shotgun loads i have a few laying around more just as "hey look what i got" kinda stuff

like when i have a complete gun novice ask me something stupid about guns ill start bragging that i got riot rounds for my shotgun (rubber buckshot) just to watch them drool... of course i always burst the bubble by explaining why i wouldnt use them lol

plus on top of that there are some fun things to shoot from a smoothbore and sometimes its worth the $2 a shell pricetag just to go "man that was fun now back to something more serious"
 
Let's look at flechettes for a moment...
In the 'average' flechette round you have 19-20 flechettes
A) Half of them will be loaded with the fins reversed to increase density.
B) There's about twice as many of them as there are balls in a 00-buckshot round so you can imagine they individually weigh a bit less.
C) They are not made of lead, so again individually they weigh less than half of a 00 pellet.

There's a test (not scientific) of flechette rounds being shot against a level III vest with butcher paper background on GeorgiaPacking.Org.

The condensed version is
A) .22 short from a pistol exhibited better penetration of a telephone book than did flechette rounds from a 12-guage.
B) If the flechette does manage to hit the vest (strange things Do happen), it only penetrates up to the fins. Think you could still function after being stabbed with an ice pick that's 1.25 inches long?
C) The 'pattern' at more anything more than across the room distance is around 6-7 feet in diameter. They may be shaped like arrows, but they do not fly like arrows. The backwards loaded flechettes break up the pattern and it will never, ever, Ever become any smaller than what it expanded into.
 
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fleschettes worked rather well in the 155mm beehive round that was issued for anti-personnel use in VN. these rounds had darts of much larger size and volume, though.

no mention of tracer shotshells in this thread. this weekend i happened upon a box of remington tracer shotshells that were designed for training purposes during WW2. they were #8 shot size and intended to make teaching of leade a more visual and instinctive process for aerial gunners thru trap shooting practice.

high brass and paper hulls, they are a collector's item these days. during my research on the type i found a few single examples. what i have is an entire box of shells, with box in good condition. hard to place a value on these, as there is no reference of sale on the net to compare to.
 
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