Exposing the Lies of "Future Weapons"

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Just for fun more than anything. I'll start (and add later):

In this clip, at 4:07, FW claims that "[the .408 Cheytac] has more kinetic energy past 400 yards than a .50 cal round". So let's test that claim:

.408 Cheytac at 500 yards
BC= .945 (419 gr bullet)
MV= 3,000 fps
Bullet weight= 419 gr
Vel @ 500= 2,505 fps
Energy @ 500= 5,841 ft.-lbs


.50 BMG at 500 yards
BC=1.050 (Hornady A-Max)
MV= 2,618 fps
Bullet Weight = 750 gr
Vel @ 500= 2,206
Energy @ 500= 8,106 ft-lbs.

So, not only is the claim not true, but the .50 BMG actually has 39.77% MORE energy at 500 yards than the .408 Chey-Tac, and the percentage only get larger from there on out with increasing distance due to the better bullet BC. The claim is also not even close to being true at 400 or 401 yards or any other distance. And these numbers are *IF* you believe the claimed MV of 3,000 fps for the 419 gr .408 cheytac.

There are lots of others out there - let's find them. The show is filled with unbelievable hyperbole and truth-stretching.

 

[Dick1911]

Not to digress...

...but you've got a great signature line! Do you have the source for Himmler's quote? I'd like to get it if you have it.

 

[Cesiumsponge]

Future Weapons is entertainment, not fact. I often find plenty of exaggerations and fictional content. The editing is also skewed.

 

[nalioth]

Anything you see on TV is suspect. It's all one big commercial.

I'd suspect the folks behind the .408 Cheytac for underwriting that particular episode

/takes off tinfoil hat

 

[Damon555]

I hate that show. With a slightly above average knowledge of most basic weapons I find the show irritating at best.

 

[50 Shooter]

They're also assuming the AMAX is leaving said barrel at 2,600 FPS, I've seen guys chrono them at 3,000 FPS.

Have to agree about FW, it's a show that leans more towards dazzling the sheeple watching it.

 

[Chipperman]

Do you have the source for Himmler's quote?

http://www.nutquote.com/quote/Heinrich_Himmler
http://www.quoteunquote.com.au/quote/Heinrich_Himmler
http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/talk.politics.libertarian/msg10370.html

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the
SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having
guns doesn't serve the State." - Heinrich Himmler 1935

I have not found a reference to WHERE he actually said it, but apparently it was in 1935. I have yet to run across a site stating that the quote is false.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

On the sig line - thanks chip - I'm now sitting here wondering what Mr. Clark and Mr. Kerry want us to do if we're over 40 and want to shoot these guns? I don't think the Army would let me in at this point. What about the physically handiapped? I don't think the Army lets in those folks either - what are these politicians suggestions for them? I'll ask next time I bump into one of the pols at a town hall.

On the show, there's dazzling/puffery, and then there's outright lies. The former just makes me , but the latter kinda ticks me off.

 

[usp9]

I like the show. Mack knows his guns, but in the final call... it is TV, meant for the masses. He's a heck of a good shot, that's for sure...provided it isn't fraudulent editing.

 

[RNB65]

You actually watch that crummy show?

 

[Correia]

In the episode where they're using the new Marine multi-shot 40mm grenade launcher, you can clearly see him loading practice rounds into the gun. (they're the blue warheads) but when he shoots it, it shows big explosions downrange.

I wish I could get my practice rounds for our M79 to do that!

 

[GunTech]

No doubt there are comparing the CheyTac to the military ball round (i.e. Cartridge, Caliber .50, Ball, M2) M2 ball only has a BC of 0.670.

 

[X-Rap]

I have seen some things on there that made me say WTH but can't remember. I will continue to watch and write down the items that require suspension of disbelief.

 

[PercyShelley]

I think they were intending to compare .50 ball loads to the .408, not handloaded ammunition with semi-custom bullets.

Although the fact that you can make such a round does call into question the need for the .408.

 

[Atla]

Mail Call is much much better.

 

[jerkface11]

How about the one with the full auto shotgun so new and revolutionary that it's actually been in development for 30 years. It's so hightech that it's made out of steel! So fancy that it can't jam! (just ignore the FTE shown in the video)

 

[Vern Humphrey]

The host claims to be a former Navy SEAL. But has anyone actually seen him balance a ball on his nose?

 

[.cheese.]

Future Weapons is a baloney show. It caters to the average viewer and not people who actually take such data seriously - like us.

 

[Eric F]

Two words here

Holly and Wood! smoke and mirrors all the way.

 

[slzy]

they had a piece of steel sitting straight up and a 556 went through it,and then had some kind of inflateable boat armor,which they sat at a 45 degree angle,which was not penetrated. i don't know...

 

[olivedrab]

I like the show. Mack knows his guns, but in the final call... it is TV, meant for the masses. He's a heck of a good shot, that's for sure...provided it isn't fraudulent editing.

did you see the one where he was talking about the 7.62 nato round, IIRC, and he said it was a 7.62 used in the AK's?

i'm sure someone else on here knows what i'm talking about

 

[V-DOP]

I don't watch that show simply because I can't stand the way Mac talks.

 

[jpatterson]

Right with you V-DOP, his voice is just too tactical for my liking

 

[never_retreat]

Besides all the gun information being wrong the host is a tool.

 

[CDignition]

2 more words ---Who Cares?