WhiteKnight
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It's not that bad looking.
Extreme Garand Butchery...not for the weak of stomach
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Daniel Watters
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Many moons ago, the American Rifleman ran a how-to article for sporterizing the Garand, including the permanent modification (cut/weld) of the magazine assembly to hold only five rounds. The latter was more to take the belly out of the stock, but also had the side benefit of complying with certain states' hunting regulations. The gas cylinder modification looks to be similiar to the one shown in the picture.
There is a reprint of the article in The NRA Gunsmithing Guide.
There is a reprint of the article in The NRA Gunsmithing Guide.
JShirley,
The thing about the .338 Garand isn't the specific chambering - it's that the Garand can be modified to accept cartridges of that power level. It's got a very particular gas system as is & using powders too fast or slow or bullets over a certain weight can damage the op rod. McCann has a system that apperently negates those limitations, hence a .338 Garand. (Schuster has one too, but to my knowledge it's only been used on '06 Garands)
Besides, a .338 would make a decent plains rifle should you take your Garand on safari (& what self respecting Garand owner would leave his/her Garand at home whil he/she goes to Africa???). In the end it's a matter of preference but there are some applications where a .338 would work better than a .35 Whelen. Not that there's anything wrong with the Whelen - it's a fine cartridge. It's just that some people prefer different cartridges than others for speciic purposes.
Now personally all this does me no good. I don't have any safari's planned & for my needs an '06 is just fine. Preferable even. & if I did want a .35 whelen or a .270 chambered Garand the modifications necessary would be relatively minor (a new barrel more or less). But I am impressed that if I did want a .338 WIn Mag Garand that someone with some time on his hands has paved the way.
Obviously the Garand's action length eliminates a lot of the belted magnums (say of the H&H variety) but I'd be curious to see if McCann could work his magic for one of those short magnums. A Garand launching a 180 grainer at 3000 fps would be a helluva thing to use on elk. Not to mention the BC of a 180 to 200 grainer at close to 3000 fps would make the 600 yard target's 10 ring a little easier to hit.
But like I said it's probably of no concern to me cause I'm real happy with the '06.
The thing about the .338 Garand isn't the specific chambering - it's that the Garand can be modified to accept cartridges of that power level. It's got a very particular gas system as is & using powders too fast or slow or bullets over a certain weight can damage the op rod. McCann has a system that apperently negates those limitations, hence a .338 Garand. (Schuster has one too, but to my knowledge it's only been used on '06 Garands)
Besides, a .338 would make a decent plains rifle should you take your Garand on safari (& what self respecting Garand owner would leave his/her Garand at home whil he/she goes to Africa???). In the end it's a matter of preference but there are some applications where a .338 would work better than a .35 Whelen. Not that there's anything wrong with the Whelen - it's a fine cartridge. It's just that some people prefer different cartridges than others for speciic purposes.
Now personally all this does me no good. I don't have any safari's planned & for my needs an '06 is just fine. Preferable even. & if I did want a .35 whelen or a .270 chambered Garand the modifications necessary would be relatively minor (a new barrel more or less). But I am impressed that if I did want a .338 WIn Mag Garand that someone with some time on his hands has paved the way.
Obviously the Garand's action length eliminates a lot of the belted magnums (say of the H&H variety) but I'd be curious to see if McCann could work his magic for one of those short magnums. A Garand launching a 180 grainer at 3000 fps would be a helluva thing to use on elk. Not to mention the BC of a 180 to 200 grainer at close to 3000 fps would make the 600 yard target's 10 ring a little easier to hit.
But like I said it's probably of no concern to me cause I'm real happy with the '06.
0007
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gator - If you don't mind my asking, where did you get the stock you are using?
Gator
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0007,
I got it in a trade, but it came from Reese Surplus , look for item #20 in the stock section.
They say it will fit right on an M1, but for proper functioning a slight modification must be made; the wood has to be built up on the left side so that the clip latch pin does not walk out.
You can see the added piece of wood, it is slightly darker. The mag well can also be filled in, it is not necessary, but it looks a lot better.
And one little cut out on the right side was also filled in.
There is a gap around the trigger housing, but I left it as is.
A bit of work, but the only way to get an M1 stock with a pistol grip!
My sincerest apologies for the triple post! I don't know what happened.
I got it in a trade, but it came from Reese Surplus , look for item #20 in the stock section.
They say it will fit right on an M1, but for proper functioning a slight modification must be made; the wood has to be built up on the left side so that the clip latch pin does not walk out.
You can see the added piece of wood, it is slightly darker. The mag well can also be filled in, it is not necessary, but it looks a lot better.
And one little cut out on the right side was also filled in.
There is a gap around the trigger housing, but I left it as is.
A bit of work, but the only way to get an M1 stock with a pistol grip!
My sincerest apologies for the triple post! I don't know what happened.
Gator
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Gator
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0007
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Thanks. Building a .308 M-1 and thought it would look pretty neat with that style stock on it.
Building a .308 M-1 and thought it would look pretty neat with that style stock on it.mohican
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your gonna flame me!!
My garand wears a ramline stock, and has the B-Square side mount scope mount. The only problem with that is that is dispenses with the rear sight.
I guess I'll have to find another garand to shoot with the issued peeps
My garand wears a ramline stock, and has the B-Square side mount scope mount. The only problem with that is that is dispenses with the rear sight.
I guess I'll have to find another garand to shoot with the issued peeps
mohican
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question for the "garand experts"
I noticed special operating rods for conversions to 338-06 and 35 whelen
Does anyone reputable build a 300 win mag conversion?
I noticed special operating rods for conversions to 338-06 and 35 whelen
Does anyone reputable build a 300 win mag conversion?
Jason Demond
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Another piece of history destroyed!
Why would someone butcher a great rifle like that?
Why would someone butcher a great rifle like that?
VG
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There were all sorts of books published after WWII about sporterizing military rifles. For WWII veterans, carrying a rifle that reminded you of the times when your best friends brains were scattered all over you and you carried his blood on your uniform for three days of combat was not considered very desirable, not to mention the weight and length.
That was a well done example. But the marketplace tends to take care of such matters, demonstrating how you can spend many hundreds of dollars to turn a $500 rifle into a $350 rifle.
That was a well done example. But the marketplace tends to take care of such matters, demonstrating how you can spend many hundreds of dollars to turn a $500 rifle into a $350 rifle.
Northwest Cajun
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mohican,
These guys make a 338 win mag garand
http://www.mccannindustries.com/rifles/rifles.html
Cajun
These guys make a 338 win mag garand
http://www.mccannindustries.com/rifles/rifles.html
Cajun
natedog
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Restoring an M-1 to it's original glory through refinishing and perhaps a new stock doesn't bother me- heck, I'm even interested in a tanker.
That's just wrong, though.
That's just wrong, though.
I don't like it. I am open minded about these things but they made it look like a Browning BAR or Remington semi-auto hunting rifle. They ruined the tough and stout looks of the M-1 and made it look like a pansy deer rifle.
I have seen a M-1 that was chopped a bit to make it look like a Tanker and it had a matte hard crome finish and black fiberglass stock. I thought that looked cooler than the originla M-1 but the one at AA doesn't look good to me at all.
I have seen a M-1 that was chopped a bit to make it look like a Tanker and it had a matte hard crome finish and black fiberglass stock. I thought that looked cooler than the originla M-1 but the one at AA doesn't look good to me at all.
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