Eye dominance frustration

Status
Not open for further replies.

sb350hp

Member
Joined
Feb 26, 2007
Messages
195
Location
Oregon
Being right handed shooter with a left dominant eye is driving me nuts. I have been trying to train my right eye but nothing seems to work.

What tactics have you used and proven to work? It drives me nuts that I cannot keep both eyes open and get a sight picture w/ my right eye.
 
Some people can do it some can't, I'm still trying. However, I did manage to teach myself to shoot a longbow instinctively cross eye dominant, but it took me 12 years to get it down.
 
Do what I did...learn how to shoot left handed! When I was in the Army several years ago, I couldn't qualify with the M16, because my right eye is weak. :banghead: So under the "caring" guidance of my Drill Sergeant :evil:, I took his advice and learned to shoot left handed, left eye. It was difficult at first, but after a year or so, it felt completely natural. Now I can shoot wih both hands equally as well, but for any serious target work, it's left handed, left eye.
 
A few weeks after I started shooting lefty I treated myself to a left handed Stag AR15 and it is really sweet not having brass or in my case steel :uhoh: not flying across my face.
 
.

I'm right handed but left eye dominant. I don't know about shooting with
both eyes open, but I have trained myself to shoot with my right eye.

It takes a while to develop the muscle memory. Its funny because I usually
defer to my left eye dominance in other activites, but when I shoot I
automatically switch over to my right without even thinking about it.

We human beings are remarkably adaptive creatures, are we not? :)
 
Being right handed shooter with a left dominant eye is driving me nuts. I have been trying to train my right eye but nothing seems to work.

What tactics have you used and proven to work? It drives me nuts that I cannot keep both eyes open and get a sight picture w/ my right eye

You did not state if you are talking about pistol or rifle but you might use this technique. A human brain is capable of adapting to many things. For instance using a close vision lens in one eye and distance vision lens in the other. Put a patch over your left eye and leave it there. That will force your brain to adjust to your right eye being your dominant eye. Your eyes will burn, sting and tear for awhile but it will help you change the dominance.
 
I have forced myself to use my non-dominant right eye for typical shooting, but for more precision shots, I do close my left eye.

A technique I learned in a Jeff Gonzales class is to turn your jaw towards your strong hand so that your dominant eye can be used to sight. It might feel silly, but it works.
 
As I got (ahem!) 'older' - I suddenly discovered that I had also shifted my dominant eye (right handed-left eye dominant). Rifle and shotgun was easy - I just closed the left eye. Handgunning took some effort. Took the advice of several folks and started handgun shooting both eyes WIDE :what: open. Takes a little time but it works. Besides, I believe the defensive schools generally want you to keep both eyes open during scenarios.
 
Cut out a small piece of masking tape and apply it to the left lens of your shooting glasses. Position it so that when you close your right eye, the left eye can't see the front sight.

Much easier on your left eye during a long range session than lots of squinting or closing your eye.
 
I'm right-handed, left eye dominant, too.

I shoot rifle and shotgun right-handed, right eyed. I close my left eye...sometimes.

I can shoot a handgun with either hand, but mostly I shoot a handgun right-handed left-eyed. I close my right eye.

I shoot a bow with both eyes open. (longbow or recurve, none of those Rube Goldberg arrow-slingers for me!)

Yes, it's confusing, but I'm used to it and it works for me.

So, pick an eye and pick a hand and stick with it.
 
If you are refering to shooting a handgun you can either use the sight picture from your left eye (just lean your head a bit) or close the left eye. If you are talking long gun, close the left eye or learn to shoot left-handed.
 
When I was in the Army several years ago, I couldn't qualify with the M16, because my right eye is weak.

Me too. I always managed to qualify but with only with an "average" score. I felt embarrassed because half the squad shot better than me when I knew that I was capable of a higher score. Never was able to change my eye dominance. I'd go and pop off a few rounds with a pistol (right hand/left eye) just to to some dignity back ... :)
 
I believe that with handguns, cross dominance can actually be a good thing - but you have to shoot from the Weaver.

I have two Weaver holds: normal involves a gun tilted towards my dominant eye at around a 15deg. angle, both elbows bent - this is for "close and fast".

At long range the gun is vertical, strong side elbow is locked straight and I can form a cheekweld on my strong-side bicep, leaning my head over in a hold very much like a rifle.

But I don't know how I'm going to translate this into riflework, unless I run a stock with a radical padded cutout for a cheekweld that puts my dominant eye behind the sights and carry the long-range handgun hold over to long-gun work. And even then I'm assuming this would be "power limited" - too much recoil with such a setup would mean a broken nose. Peak power would be in the 30-30, 7.62x39 or hot-357-in-a-small-levergun range I would guesstimate...

But, since I'm not interested in big game hunting and don't see a personal need for a 300H&H or something, that might actually work.
 
"...just lean your head a bit..." Don't lean your head or try to train your right eye. Turn your body to bring the sights in line with your left eye or shoot with both eyes open. Both eyes open is better. Your eyes are made to work together. Mind you, your stance will depend on what kind of shooting you're doing.
Long guns and the crossbows get shot left, handguns and other bows right in my house.
 
I've fiddled with this a bit. Now, I've probably developed a lot of bad shooting habits, being self-taught so far, so take my advice here with that in mind...

An Isocelese stance with a pistol can go either eye, depending. You can simply turn your head to bring whatever eye you want (or adjust your stance as stated above).
Your weak eye can be trained to establish dominance temporarily by blinking, or squinting the strong one. I find if I half close my left, my right eye takes over easily, making clear front sight+blurry rear on a double image target turn into a clear front, less blurry rear, and single image target. I also maintain the sight needed in the left eye for situational awareness.

I have found that I tend to drift into a Weaver at IDPA, which is probably my own sloppiness of technique.
 
Thanks for the advice Jim. I always wondered how to overcome my inadbility to shoot left handed. My vision in my left eye is so poor I can't even see the sights.
 
Sunray, your method will work UNTIL the power levels get somewhat wild. Somewhere around the top end of the 357Mag or beyond, the fact that your upper body is twisted around is going to bite you.

I would also question how stable a platform that sort of hold is.

Tilting your head doesn't hurt your basic body alignment/stability, and if you form a cheekweld with your right bicep it radically boosts upper body stability...although admittedly, an "elbow locked" hold will run into trouble at some upper power limit. For me, it's good at least through very hot 357Mag (Doubletap, 800ft/lbs) in a gun the size of an L-frame, GP100 or Colt SAA. By the time you get past 44Mag horsepower, "elbow locked" is going to be trouble and then some.

OK. All of this is connected to "how much recoil can a given hold cope with?" Because the Isosceles hold is symmetrical, at some point you're going to bury the front sight in your skull. Being asymmetrical, done right the Weaver will take a really big gun PAST your head instead of into it.

A superb demonstration of this is done in a video by John Linebaugh:

http://customsixguns.com/

John ain't a big guy. Here he shoots a 500Linebaugh one handed, and copes with the recoil (way out past 44Mag territory) by bringing the gun past his body to his "inside" (past his nose!). A Weaver shooter will let the gun yank out of the off-hand and come in past his head to the outside. You can't stop the gun from coming level with your head or beyond, but you CAN shift it sideways as it comes, because either Weaver or one-handed, your strong-side forearm is lined up behind the gun.

(One Weaver method is to bring a handcannon up *above* and past your head with the strong hand that's still on the gun - the off-hand *will* be AWOL by then, no two ways about it...)

These "passing the head" techniques can still be done with big power and a "cross dominant variant" Weaver. It's not as easy and your power handling ability is going to be down by...guesstimating, 10% or so although you may be able to recover that with the "overhead pass".

In isosceles, neither arm has that level of control from behind the gun - both arms come into the gun at an angle and when the off-hand loses gun contact, control goes totally to hell. There are lots of youtube videos of people nailing themselves with handcannons :( and isosceles is often involved...the gun is gonna to come straight back into you if the horsepower is high enough. Mind you, at 357-and-below power the isosceles is fine for most people and it has it's advantages. It can be adapted easily to cross-dominant shooting. You won't have that slick "cheek weld effect" for longer-range shooting, but your rapid fire control in defensive-type shooting is better by a bit, hence isosceles is taking over in police training circles.

Hit youtube, search for "jerry mikulek"...world's fastest handgunner, uses isosceles...

---

On edit: here's an example of a Weaver hold saving a man's life:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCLkDpw_ZwI

This nut is shooting some kind of crazy rifle caliber in a single-shot scoped handgun and loses ALL control, gun goes flying. BUT he manages to prove my point, because he put just enough sideways momentum on it that it goes past his head at high speed :uhoh:. Could have been worse - the back of the scope could have scooped out an eye, or worse yet :what:.

In this case:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKO2po9nnVI

...we have a lady shooting big power, allegedly another 500Linebaugh, from a "Weaverish" hold with "isoscelesish elements". I would say she's not quite lining things up right, BUT somehow she's managing to keep both hands on it and hence keeps the hammer from burying itself in her forehead. Cool...but that's not what usually happens...usually the off-hand on the *outside* of the strong-hand fingers parts ways during recoil. I *think* what she's got here is a Bisley grip frame and she's got one of most of each (smallish) hands on different parts of the grip, like some sort of Samurai sword hold :). Hey, whatever works!
 
I have two Weaver holds: normal involves a gun tilted towards my dominant eye at around a 15deg. angle, both elbows bent - this is for "close and fast".

At long range the gun is vertical, strong side elbow is locked straight and I can form a cheekweld on my strong-side bicep, leaning my head over in a hold very much like a rifle.
Simular stances here.

Longarms are fired southpaw. Weird at first, but surprisingly easy to get used to. Bullpups are out of the question though, dont ask me how I found out...
 
I am right handed and shoot lefty. Have been doing it ever since I started. Force yourself to do it and after awhile, it will be second nature.
 
I rotate my head down into my right bicep as well; the guy teaching my CHL class didn't really like it but couldn't refute that it worked and didn't affect my peripheral vision.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top