FA 9mm barrels?

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For an AR platform in 9mm that would run FA once in a while, what are things to look for? It seems that past about 5" and you pretty much only gain better target acquisition? For heat I've seen a guys use of a barrel by Spinta. It was in 4140 chrome moly and had several heat sinks. There's a fluted SS that seems may save weight and bleed of heat? What do you guys think of these? spinta 9mm.jpg The shortage of contact in the barrel extension? Should that be bothering me? As well as the "no pin" on the SS. Rainer 5 SS fluted.jpg
 
There is a guy over on ar15.com that likes the cmmg banshee because it is softer shooting and has a slower cyclic rate. He plays with buffer springs and weights too.
 
The shortage of contact in the barrel extension?
Would probably make a pocket of insulating air, limiting heat transfer to the receiver, causing a human to think the barrel stayed cooler.

As well as the "no pin" on the SS.
The pin is only to index the gas port so the gas tube is straight into the receiver. 9mm ARs being blow back, there is no gas port to index.

I think the top one looks neat.
I know Rainer make decent barrels.
Both pass my muster.
I don’t see what it has to do with being full auto?
 
For an AR platform in 9mm that would run FA once in a while, what are things to look for? It seems that past about 5" and you pretty much only gain better target acquisition?
I don't like barrels shorter than 10.5" or so because of the constrained ergonomics that results, but that's just me. If you do go shorter, you really need to incorporate a sturdy hand stop or risk getting your offhand in front of the muzzle. One additional benefit of a longer barrel, besides ergonomics, is potential sound reduction; my 16" 45ACP (built just for giggles, before I started building pistols) isn't hearing safe to the shooter but it's getting close to hearing safe to the other folks on the firing line.

I've not built a FA 9x19, but I dunno that I'd consider that a hard-use scenario for the platform considering the relatively low volume of gas per round. Others may have better insight there.
 
Would probably make a pocket of insulating air, limiting heat transfer to the receiver, causing a human to think the barrel stayed cooler.


The pin is only to index the gas port so the gas tube is straight into the receiver. 9mm ARs being blow back, there is no gas port to index.

I think the top one looks neat.
I know Rainer make decent barrels.
Both pass my muster.
I don’t see what it has to do with being full auto?
Excessive heat, barrel wear, life, accuracy and ... looks. To be vain.
 
Excessive heat,
Well, that comes from firing. Fire a lot and it’s going to get warm. The good thing is, it’s only painful if you touch it, the gun doesn’t mind until it’s red.

barrel wear, life
That is also a function of firing. Every time a bullet flies down the bore it is followed by 2,000-3,000° Gaseous plasma at about 20,000 psi.(for nine millimeter) This erodes the surface of the steel, and happens no matter how cold or hot the barrel is. Of course being excessively hot, hundreds of degrees, can accelerate this erosion. A rifle cartridge is much more intense in this fashion.
I would prefer the nitrided barrel or an actual chrome lined barrel. Luckily you have the power, or lack of it in 9mm, on your side. The more powder burned, the more erosion in the bore.

That depends on the barrel. On the specific barrel. And not something that usually comes up in an automatic firearm thread. I think it would be changing the barrel when it’s shot out, not later when it just still functions.

Really, all the same criterion we use for choosing a barrel still applies, the gun just shoots it faster.
Thick barrels soak heat longer, good for short strings and setting it down.
Flutes allegedly act like cooling fins, though the surface area is not increased much. They look nice though.
JPCustoms has some barrel heat sinks for rifles. Take a look at these for and approximate size of fin that would actually begin to help with temperature mitigation.
I’d definitely go for a nitrided barrel for increased wear resistance.


And ... looks.
Arguably the prominent purchasing point. I do like the top one.;)

Stainless barrels under a handguard put me off for some reason. Even contrast painted ones are better. But that’s just me. Some humans think I’m color blind. I am, just not to the colors they think.:D
 
Well, that comes from firing. Fire a lot and it’s going to get warm. The good thing is, it’s only painful if you touch it, the gun doesn’t mind until it’s red.


That is also a function of firing. Every time a bullet flies down the bore it is followed by 2,000-3,000° Gaseous plasma at about 20,000 psi.(for nine millimeter) This erodes the surface of the steel, and happens no matter how cold or hot the barrel is. Of course being excessively hot, hundreds of degrees, can accelerate this erosion. A rifle cartridge is much more intense in this fashion.
I would prefer the nitrided barrel or an actual chrome lined barrel. Luckily you have the power, or lack of it in 9mm, on your side. The more powder burned, the more erosion in the bore.


That depends on the barrel. On the specific barrel. And not something that usually comes up in an automatic firearm thread. I think it would be changing the barrel when it’s shot out, not later when it just still functions.

Really, all the same criterion we use for choosing a barrel still applies, the gun just shoots it faster.
Thick barrels soak heat longer, good for short strings and setting it down.
Flutes allegedly act like cooling fins, though the surface area is not increased much. They look nice though.
JPCustoms has some barrel heat sinks for rifles. Take a look at these for and approximate size of fin that would actually begin to help with temperature mitigation.
I’d definitely go for a nitrided barrel for increased wear resistance.



Arguably the prominent purchasing point. I do like the top one.;)

Stainless barrels under a handguard put me off for some reason. Even contrast painted ones are better. But that’s just me. Some humans think I’m color blind. I am, just not to the colors they think.:D
Really appreciate the time you took for your reply. Great info, enjoyable read. Many appreciations! Oh and from what I've read, there is direct agreement with your thoughts. That always helps.
 
I am using a carbine length PRI carbon fiber tube. The can extends a few inches out the end ala MP5-SD.
That's interesting. Pic? I chatted with BSF, guys who make carbon fiber wrapped barrels about melting points with CF. Their putting airports on these now and I'm wondering if these new guys can support full auto? Thx for taking an interest. I've decided to go with Rainier's 5". A few reasons. One being that hand guards are a bit more plentiful in 4". I think. I pretty much suck when it comes to parking my butt in my office chair searching. Time to ask the Wife. She's got the skills and temperament to find stuff.
 
Hey there greyling22! Whilst looking around I found the same hand guard from it's manufacture. Back ordered. I was just tell my Wife how sometime you can find products at other locations. Then used Optics Planet as an example. A BAD example. But it was the only place I found the EXACT same one in your lead. True to optics planet, they would not apply their offer of 10% off. After 45 min. of chat. It was useless. I really like the hand guard and applaud your taste in hand guards, the lead, and your interest in helping me. I kinda wish I'd called the manufacture to see how long the back order might have been. Last, it's 15$ cheaper from the manufacture. Oh well, lige goes on! Thanks buddy!
 
Hey there greyling22! Whilst looking around I found the same hand guard from it's manufacture. Back ordered. I was just tell my Wife how sometime you can find products at other locations. Then used Optics Planet as an example. A BAD example. But it was the only place I found the EXACT same one in your lead. True to optics planet, they would not apply their offer of 10% off. After 45 min. of chat. It was useless. I really like the hand guard and applaud your taste in hand guards, the lead, and your interest in helping me. I kinda wish I'd called the manufacture to see how long the back order might have been. Last, it's 15$ cheaper from the manufacture. Oh well, lige goes on! Thanks buddy!

I'm sending the barrel back for a 6". This barrel sits even to the hand guard. Wondering if you have seen a sexy handguard or grip. Thanks for you heads up on the hand guard.
barrel six inch.jpg
 
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