Factory Crimp Die ?

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socaldan

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Good day folks, I could use your advice...Here's the senario.
I'm loading both .357 and .38 spl on a dillon RL550b, I have both R.C.B.S. dies,(old ones ) and LEE dies, (new ones) The crimp i get on both are dismal. Would I have better luck with a "Factory Crimp Die" or am I doing something wrong? I would like to have a nice round roll instead the "Mash in place crimp" I've been getting!
They shoot fine...i'm just picky!
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
 
Without seeing what your crimps look like it's hard to say whether or not they are correct, and if they are incorrect if it's user error or equipment failure.

I can tell you I use a Lee FCD on all my reloads and the crimps are perfect every time.
 
For 38 spcl I use my old RCBS carbide 3 die set and a Lee FCD and it works for me. In fact, so good that I use a Lee FCD for 357 Mag and 44 Mag as well even though these are RCBS Carbide 3 die sets as well.
For 9mm and 45 acp, I use Dillons on my 650 machines, and for .223, 308, and 30-06, I use Redding crimp dies in conjunction with my Redding 3 die sets. (I use Redding dies in all my rifle calibers, not just the 3 calibers I mentioned).

* * Not to steal the thread, but has anyone used the Carbide .223 and .308 dies Dillon is making?
 
I don't have a Dillon press, but I do use the FCD die--on every round I build in handgun calibers. FWIW, I've probably used it on about 12,000-15,000 rounds in 38 / 357 builds.

Along the way, here's what I have learned about using them.

1. The initial setup is important. The instructions from Lee work, of course, but are really "ballpark" instructions. Precise setup requires one adjust the die body for absolute minimum contact on the case--and that means, really, for the average case length of the batch of cases you are loading. If you're loading well-used cases and have never trimmed them, you may have a wide variance in LOAs that will make for inconsistent crimps.

Once the die body is set "high enough," you can now dial in the amount of crimp very nicely. On revolver cartridges that will produce (Lee's 'modified') roll crimp, but you can vary it from light to heavy with no mashing. On pistol cartridges, the taper crimp will possibly be too light--be sure to use a MAX cart gauge or the specific barrel chamber for ease of chambering.

2. Don't confuse postsize "bumping" with crimping. The postsize "bump" is what you feel when the die first contacts the cartridge assembly; the crimp will feel like a crimp at the end of the downstroke. Postsizing usually is a "double bump" on both strokes. The amount of postsizing seems to be pretty much a function of the bullet diameter (and BHN if it is a lead bullet), assuming your brass has consistent wall thickness, and it may not occur at all.

If you haven't got separate die setups for 38 and 357, I suggest you do that--but it won't stop the need to maybe tweak the die body height at the beginning of a reloading session. I've never trimmed handgun brass, but I do tend to shoot Starline-only, and the brass tends to "stay together" for usage. The mixed 38 Special brass I have may end up being trimmed--but I'll probably just accept the varying crimps on that stuff.

Jim H.
 
For a straight wall cartridge you might also consider a taper crimp die. Redding makes some good ones. The taper crimp engages a lot more of the brass.
 
jfh gave some good advise here.

No, the FCD will not cure your problems of improper adjustment. :)

I never trim auto brass, but I trim all revolver brass to help with getting uniform crimps.

Die adjustment is where it is at after you have uniform case lengths.
 
The secret to getting a good crimp in straight wall pistol cartridges is to seat the bullet and crimp in separate operations. If you're crimping with the seating die, the bullet is still moving while the crimp is being applied. It's a small amount, but it is still moving, since the crimp can't be applied unless the case is being pushed into the die.

I think you'll find this will give you a better looking and more efficient crimp.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
Are you shooting cast bullets with a crimp groove..is that why you 'need' the roll crimp?'I use the Lee fcd on my 45 colt ammo and it makes a great roll crimp..I suspect the .38 caliber die would too.Ask Lee for sure though.
 
Many lead bullets have a rounded crimp groove which makes seating/crimping in one operation very doable. Other than that I agree with Fred that separate seating and crimping is the way to go.
 
I use the LEE factory crimp die for my handgun cartridges. I took a nail and put it in the center of the crimp adjustment knob and scratched a mark from the center out. Kind of like a hand on a clock. Makes telling how far you’ve turned it easier. You could do the same with a marker too.
 
I'm like Rusty. I'm definitely sold on the Lee FCD. I am a little confused by the last sentence though. The FCD is a seperate step from seating all together. The FCD will not seat and crimp in any caliber to my knowledge. I load .357magnum rounds and you can do a "Mash in place crimp" if you have the die in too far. I adjust my crimp die to just touch the case mouth so that it looks like a nice roll crimp. With rifle rounds I put a little more apparent crimp.
 
I am a little confused by the last sentence though. The FCD is a seperate step from seating all together. The FCD will not seat and crimp in any caliber to my knowledge.
Exactly. That's why I use the FCD. If I didn't like to seat and crimp in separate steps then I would just use the seating die and crimp with it also.
Rusty
 
I have had great luck using the lee seating die to crimp .40 with plated bullets, I am buying a lee crimping die for my .223
 
Lee Factory Crimp Die for auto rounds.

Redding Profile Crimp Die for revolver rounds.
 
Thanks folks...I "ALWAYS" seat and crimp seperately, to do otherwise is ...well... UN-NATURAL in my book.
I've been pleased with my "taper" crimping...but the roll crimp is a problem,Probably only because of the visual aspect of it.
I also think I may have been "BELLING" too much too.
I'll make some adjustments and return a reply ...or get a F.C.D.
Thanks again.
 
Lee Factory Crimp Die for auto rounds.

Redding Profile Crimp Die for revolver rounds.

Exactly! I bought a FCD for 44 mag. I didn't like the crimp I got with it. Someone on here, or some other forum, suggested a redding profile crimp for 44 mag. I got one, it works perfect.

The FCD seemed to be a taper crimp. It also stopped short of crimping enough. Oh, I know it's SUPPOSED to be a roll crimper, but in my experience it failed.
 
I do my crimping in 2 steps. For sitting I use Redding sit/crimp die but adjust it only to remove belling, not actually crimp. For crimping I use FCD - like to adjust my crimp precisely, with calipers, and it's easiest to do on FCD. Here are some examples; left to right are light (plated bullet), medium and heavy FCD crimp.

crimp-1.jpg

Mike
 
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