FAILURES!!!! Failures EVERYWHERE!!!! OMG!!!

[Grunt]

So the internet is all abuzz about the VP9 test failure on MAC. However, keep in mind this is one persons test on ONE pistol! Of course the bashers come out of the woodwork condemning the entire design based on the poor performance of this one sample. Well, how do the other designs fare? Hmm, let's see:

Here's a Sig P226 that broke after 2 rounds were fired:
[video=youtube;ols5jkWOIO8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ols5jkWOIO8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ols5jkWOIO8[/video]

Here's an M&P that suffered a KB failure:
[video=youtube;PJg4hjqPlQs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJg4hjqPlQs&list=PLLfdMtdKmJ9LOl99DPqp1m0Vd6qZ1EoL0[/video]

Glocks always work after being submerged, right?
[video=youtube;z5iahKNVj44]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5iahKNVj44&list=PLLfdMtdKmJ9LOl99DPqp1m0Vd6qZ1EoL0&index=5[/video]

Beretta 92s don't always work that well either and I can vouch first hand for them being jammed up with dirt:
[video=youtube;39FR8TZq0FU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39FR8TZq0FU[/video]

Walther P99s apparently have magazines that fail:
[video=youtube;UyUe0u5OW8c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyUe0u5OW8c[/video]

Walther PPQs have problems that can't be fixed:
[video=youtube;jL5JHY9g1dM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL5JHY9g1dM[/video]


Now of course, there are plenty of samples that work just fine. I ought to know since I own most of those same designs that have failed in these videos that other owners have had problems with and I've never had issues with them. But, to use the logic that many of MACs viewers use to claim that the VP9 is a bad design based on this ONE sample yet ignore failures of other designs is highly hypocritical. Bottom line is that a test of ONE failing sample is NOT definitive of the entire design.

 

[Devonai]

H&K isn't exactly known for their QC, after all.

(sarcasm, please don't hurt me)

 

[sigarms228]

Yep. I agree. Totally unscientific test by one person with a sample of one pistol. Such is for entertainment value only yet some take such for gospel because its on the internet.

This is why the military uses hundreds of a samples and millions of rounds fired when doing serious evaluation such as when the Beretta 92 was selected.

Also funny about those that are bashing the VP9 is that that most are not mentioning their choice of pistol (if they even own or have ever fired a real pistol) for such torture tests because there are plenty of these one person one sample torture tests that show any popular pistol failing badly.

 

[Richard Head]

Sounds like you're more upset about it's failure than anyone else. Do you work for HK or are you just emotionally invested?

 

[WVsig]

This is just another case of people unable to separate their ego from the piece of metal and plastic they have chosen to purchase.

Yes all poodles are dogs and not all dogs are poodles but the pistol in the test failed on multiple levels. Yes it is only one gun subjected to a subjective test but it does not render it meaningless unless you are forcing your subjectivity onto it.

IMHO the poly that is used on the VP9 is not as high quality as the poly at the P30 and other past offerings. Maybe it was just me but that is my impression.

To me we can take the video for what it is. It is what it is. The gun failed when put under the stress of water, sand/dirt and impact on wood and steel. This might or might not matter to you but why all the whining?

 

[Grunt]

No, I'm just not acting like a knee-jerk liberal that is all about throwing out the baby with the bath water.

 

[DeepSouth]

I must have missed out on all the Internet buzz, thanks for letting me know to avoid them!

 

[WVsig]

No, I'm just not acting like a knee-jerk liberal that is all about throwing out the baby with the bath water.

What does being a liberal have to do with this discussion. Wonderful use of an ad hominem attack.

You seem to be bringing more attention to this video then anyone else. It really seems to have shaken you to the core. I personally watched it saw what happened laughed a bit and moved on.

Yet here you are bringing my attention right back to the VP9s failures. LOL

 

[bikerdoc]

Your last sentence says it all.

 

[psyopspec]

There's much more ado on the side of the apologists for the VP9. I've yet to see a single poster here or an any other forum say that the test is representative of every sample of the model, but entire mobs are breathlessly beating that straw man to the amusement of the rest of us.

 

[highlander 5]

Show me where I can find a truly indestructible pistol and I will be the first to buy one. Pistols are like any other mechanical device in that you are going to get a lemon once in a while.

 

[jjones45]

Hk's still king of endurance test with over 90,000 rounds fired before parts breakage. I love videos like this torture test because it stirs the pot and gets people all rowled up over nothing more than a man trying to see how much abuse it takes to make a gun inoperable. Since the vp9 has come out I always believed it to be inferior to the P30. It just doesn't feel like it has the same level of quality. I carry a usp 45c and it feels like a better made gun than the vp9 as well. Not bashing the vp9 but I can see why it's Hk's bargain gun.

 

[Sunray]

HK did try to market a semi'd machine pistol(VP-70) that was the subject of the only gun rag article that didn't say it was the best thing ever made.
Like highlander 5 says, they're machines. Machines sometimes don't work.

 

[Texzig]

Good article, take a look.
http://pistol-training.com/articles/trust-no-one-an-insiders-perspective

 

[tarosean]

Good article, take a look.
http://pistol-training.com/articles/...rs-perspective

I actually agree with him. Coupled with the fact that his long term tests are far more telling to me, than any torture test on youtube.

Although I do like to try new gun/models they dont generally make the cut. Often not because of mechanical failure, rather something that annoyed me about them that I couldnt live with.

 

[dh1633pm]

No wonder it broker. Its made out of plastic and doesn't have a hammer. Just teasing. I have seen postings all over the place on this pistol. I don't consider it scientific or a reason to bash and/or not buy the thing. Everything I have ever seen from HK has been first rate.

 

[M-Cameron]

yeah, let me fill my gun with sand and then whip it at some steel plates.....and then act all surprised when it breaks and doesnt fire.......


its a piece of machinery, of course its not going to fire when you fill the action with sand........and of course its going to break when you whip it at some steel plates.....what the hell were you expecting?


these "torture tests" are nothing but a gimmick to garner youtube views.....and everyone had to do it bigger and better than the next guy.....its pretty sad that most people havent realized this.


im waiting for people to blow up a gun with some TNT and them complain about quality controll when the gun doesnt fire.....

 

[ATLDave]

This stuff just cracks me up. I have definite opinions about models/brands of pistols are most likely to work or have problems, but those come from watching people run guns hard in competitions. Not from stuffing lunch or half a sandbox in it and then using it as some sort of frisbee or impact hammer.

Guns are tools. They are designed to shoot. If shooting them makes them break, then that's one thing. If using them in some goofy way makes them break, that's another. I'm not sure why anybody cares too much about the latter.

FWIW, I don't have, and have zero interest in, a VP9. Or any other current H&K pistol, for that matter.

 

[USAF_Vet]

Yeah, screw HK, they hate us anyway. Based on YouTube torture tests, we should all go out and buy Hi Point 9s because Iraqveteran8888 could not destroy one in his torture test.

 

[JDR]

The author of that excellent linked article is Todd Louis Green who is a certified Beretta, Glock, Heckler & Koch, SIG-Sauer, and Smith & Wesson armorer, and he has his own version of the HK LEM trigger variant that the guys on the HK forum rave about.

 

[PlumRotten]

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

its a piece of machinery, of course its not going to fire when you fill the action with sand........

Funny cause I once filled my Makarov with sand WITH THE SLIDE LOCKED OPEN, shook the excessive sand out to close the action and had zero malfunctions. There was still enough sand in the action that prevented me from pulling the slide all the way back to remove it.