DFW1911
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The M1 carbine!
FAL vs M1 Carbine, whoo hooo!
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Machinator
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Benelli with No.2 bismuth, wont penetrated your walls and hurt your family but will eliminate any threat that enters your house.
The Deer Hunter
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Without reading most of the posts, I would say the M1 carbine. While I have never touched a FAL, I have shouldered a couple M1 carbines, and they are short. The .30 Carbine isn't an incredibly powerful round, it's about that of a strong handgun, I'm sure it would work fine in your house.
Dude, a .308 is going to kill anything out to farther than you can see. How can you not consider it an indoor round?...Besides, any round that is powerful enough to stop a threat is going to go through all sorts of walls.
Look, drywall isn't very strong. Even my walls that are made of 5/8" drywall, plastered and papered are cut clean through with my air rifle. How can you tell me that a round that cannot penetrate the walls that an air rifle can penetrate, can possibly stop a living human being?
Dude, a .308 is going to kill anything out to farther than you can see. How can you not consider it an indoor round?...Besides, any round that is powerful enough to stop a threat is going to go through all sorts of walls.
Look, drywall isn't very strong. Even my walls that are made of 5/8" drywall, plastered and papered are cut clean through with my air rifle. How can you tell me that a round that cannot penetrate the walls that an air rifle can penetrate, can possibly stop a living human being?
Sam1911
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Uh, Dude? That's EXACTLY what he meant.
Not much of an indoor round -- too powerful, loud, slow with follow-up shots, way too much penetration.
But, hey, if you want to argue vehemently the exact point he's making, go ahead!
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Uh dont know about you but my walls are double side which leaves us with 1.25 inch drywall, which with no.2 shot is a dramatic close quarters battle load but has minimal penetration of household media. I have extensive mout/urban combat exp and most of the collateral damage ie bystanders/innocent occupents hit/killed in my experience were from large rounds over penetrating walls. Especially the 7.62.
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I couldn't use a shotgun. I have 4 large dogs. (A 155 pound BullMastiff is the largest.) I don't want to shoot my pup with buck shot while he is helping me. I would choose a pistol or your m1 carbine.
HoosierQ
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M1 Carbine if it is reliable. Stick to the 15-round mags.
SimpleIsGood229
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In fairness though, a load like the 110 gr. Hornady TAP would likely be in the ballpark of the 5.56 with a similarly constructed bullet.Sam1911 said:
...but yeah, it would be really loud, nonetheless.
How long is your hallway? Unless you live in a mansion, it is unlikely that a buckshot load will expand to a size larger than your hand before it hits the target (or an interior wall). 00 Buck at 30' (10 yards) resulted in an extreme spread of 10", using very cheap Wolf buckshot. If you pattern your specific gun and load what shoots the tightest, you'll chop that group size down further.
Mike
ETA: that info is from http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot42.htm ... if you read the whole test, you'll see some of what the shotgun can and can't do at HD ranges. I like the shotgun's terminal effects, but that hostage-scenario shot is hair-raising.
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MTMilitiaman
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There are good arguments to be made for the 7.62 when it is loaded correctly.
The 12 gauge with buckshot is a long-time favorite and it is generally effective, but not without its drawbacks. Recoil and capacity, namely. It's call to fame is it terminal effects, but the wound cavitation caused by nine .32 caliber roundballs at handgun velocities is only marginally greater than the effect caused by a 155 gr TAP round from a 7.62 impacting at over 2600 fps. The construction of this particular load guarantees that the wound channel it creates is ideal for personal defense in terms of penetration--about 16 inches--which guarantees the round will reach the vitals of an assailant from any shot angle regardless of clothing or any skeletal/musculature obstacles encountered while minimizing penetration through household obstacles such as walls. Any round capable of achieving sufficient penetration in tissue is going to penetrate interior walls. This is unfortunate but necessary to ensure the round is effective, and the risk posed by over penetration is not nearly as sever as the risk posed by under penetration.
No one is advocating loading the FAL with ball ammo and this would indeed be foolhardy. But ammunition choices exist that can provide 75% of the terminal effect of the typical 12 gauge buckshot round with less recoil and faster follow-up shots, as well as greater capacity. Additionally, some of us in more rural areas can appreciate the rifle's increased range and accuracy for property management.
The FAL will have a lot of blast and you will have to choose your tactics around the shot angles available to you, but these are disadvantages held by all firearms. And I'd personally rather have a FAL carbine or an M1A Scout than a shotgun loaded with anything.
The 12 gauge with buckshot is a long-time favorite and it is generally effective, but not without its drawbacks. Recoil and capacity, namely. It's call to fame is it terminal effects, but the wound cavitation caused by nine .32 caliber roundballs at handgun velocities is only marginally greater than the effect caused by a 155 gr TAP round from a 7.62 impacting at over 2600 fps. The construction of this particular load guarantees that the wound channel it creates is ideal for personal defense in terms of penetration--about 16 inches--which guarantees the round will reach the vitals of an assailant from any shot angle regardless of clothing or any skeletal/musculature obstacles encountered while minimizing penetration through household obstacles such as walls. Any round capable of achieving sufficient penetration in tissue is going to penetrate interior walls. This is unfortunate but necessary to ensure the round is effective, and the risk posed by over penetration is not nearly as sever as the risk posed by under penetration.
No one is advocating loading the FAL with ball ammo and this would indeed be foolhardy. But ammunition choices exist that can provide 75% of the terminal effect of the typical 12 gauge buckshot round with less recoil and faster follow-up shots, as well as greater capacity. Additionally, some of us in more rural areas can appreciate the rifle's increased range and accuracy for property management.
The FAL will have a lot of blast and you will have to choose your tactics around the shot angles available to you, but these are disadvantages held by all firearms. And I'd personally rather have a FAL carbine or an M1A Scout than a shotgun loaded with anything.
Daryl
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From your list the M1 carbine would be my pick. You can always keep the rifle empty and a 15 round mag in you pocket.
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