Falcon Coated Bullets: Review

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Loaded a handful and shot them this evening.
WWB 115gn FMJ avg fps = 1148.
Using range brass and 4.3gr Win231, Falcon 115gr LRN avg fps = 1085,
Falcon 115gr coated avg fps = 1091.

No difference in accuracy, loaded the same in the Dillon with no more or less drag and same OAL when seating. Slightly less smoke.

BIG DIFFERENCE: much, MUCH cleaner. My Barsto Commander barrel was slick as a whistle, and I'll order more for that reason alone.

GREAT service, too.

Hope this helps. Target is 15yds, offhand, standing with carry sights, 1978 Colt Combat Commander in 9mm.

Falcon Bullet Company | Premium Hard Cast Lead Bullets

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They look like little lipsticks when their loaded.:)

Anyhow the coated bullets have gained a lot of popularity here in the US. Now Bayou bullets and SNS casting is doing them. Guess there are more out there. Nice to have a choice and for a few dollars more their still cheaper than plated! Did they have a light smell burnt plastic? If so was it strong or light?

I've been aiming try some from SNS.
 
Excellent review, thank you! I have been looking at these as an alternative to regular lead. The price is a little higher but perhaps it's worth it in the end. Hopefully they offer different calibers as well soon.
 
Ok, finally a pic of powdercoated bullets that answers my question.

"Nope, they aren't coated on the bottom."

Ok, this finally may be the point that pushes me over the edge. We'll see.

The guys who do the dip thing and set them out on a tray.......that seems far messier than need be.

This is obviously a sprayed on coat, and you say it works just fine.

These also appear to be sized AFTER coating, which is my next question. Can I get a better pic of the sized area of the bullets ? ( its near the base, that "band" looking part) And can you drag a fingernail over that area and tell me if you can still feel the slight ridges you get from sizing ? If not, they were probably sized, then coated.
 
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Both are production questions, more than anything.


Sizing:

If you size before you coat, you are assuming ( or praying) that your coat is even on every bullet- or that the variance wont matter. I believe it does, but thats from an analysis of projectile diameter to bore diameter in accuracy, and similar analysis on accuracy and pressure levels on uncoated bullets.

Its a belief, not a tested theory at this point, as I haven't dabbled in bullet coatings yet.

Being able to size after coating would be a great help in terms of consistency, and from a "# of times bullet touched" production standpoint. From a mechanical and automated producer standpoint- this is not as important. From a handcrafted standpoint, it is. I apply this standard to all of my reloading processes, and it's cut down on my time to load considerably.

Bottom:
The coating on the bottom is just another production step. I was wondering if the guys who sprayed on the coating for uniformity, speed, and cleanliness sprayed the bottom- or if it was necessary. These bullets don't. I'll add that you are still getting "flame on lead"- which is bad for those concerned about lead levels when shooting in confined spaces like an indoor range, but it does eliminate "lead on bore" which is great for a lot of shooters who can't seem to understand how bore and bullet fit, and pressure levels work to eliminate leading.

Basically, this whole process takes a lot of the math and experimentation out of using lead bullets, or it seems to.

For those of us who "roll our own", it adds another layer of expense and labor to essentially remove something many of us have already figured out : the math.

I'm not sure if thats good for the longevity of the reloading hobby, but these bullets sure seem to be popular. The reason seems to be stated above.


Now, I'm not a curmudgeon- please believe me. I'm not saying that you have to do it the "hard way" with lead because thats the way its always been done... far from it. What I'm saying is that to those of us who already know how to make uncoated cast lead bullets work the way the coated bullets work, im wondering if its worth the extra time and effort. Also, It's a serious struggle to get new (and some old !) shooters to understand how cast lead bullets work. That understanding is crucial to almost all other aspects of making fine ammunition. That struggle and final understanding brings a deeper connection to the hobby we share, and a more complete understanding of "the math" that makes our hobby work. All of us who have this information and use it are better- not worse- for the experience. I think a shortcut around a good understanding of the 15k to 60k PSI pressure vessel in your hand isn't in anyones best interest- thats all.

With that said, I'm sure my wife would glow if I could make her rifle bullets in british racing green.........
 
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Doc,

Saw this on the other forum. How long does delivery take after ordering from this company? (approximate) Thanks
 
Rule3, they ship my bullets the next day after ordering or same day if I order early.

blarby, I really appreciate the detail you provide.

I'm new to reloading, so help me here:

purpose: self defense practice only, no matches

bullet: 115gr LRN with typical lube band from Falcon, Missouri, etc

brass: range pickup, some once-fired, not sorted

primer: CCI spp or Federal spp

powder: 4.3gr Win231

OAL ; 1.09

fps: 1085

pistol: 1978 Colt Combat Commander 9mm, Barso match barrel

Can you make a determination regarding leading from that data?

With my limited experience, all I could tell is the coated bullets left far less "residue" (powder or lead) than the usual lead bullets with the lube band.

Thanks!
 
But blarby they are so Purty!

Think of all the color options!!. We have Bling for guns why not ammo?:D
 
Bayou Bullets now has a BRICK RED (think Fire Engine Red), Black Cherry (looks like Lipstick) and a new Sparkly Gold, to go along with his previous 4 colors.

These are HI-TEK coatings from Australia NOT ELECTROSTATIC POWDER COATED, 2 part mixed with Acetone and Tumble Lubed/Baked.

Bayou offers finished projectiles or DO IT YOURSELF KITS for home casters.
Completely encapsulates the lead.

COMPETITION PROVEN projectiles.
 
^^^^ holy cow, do you have stock in them ? Lol ! ^^^^

You know doc- best thing about THR is that there is always someone who has better knowledge than me on a particular round, and 9mm is no exception on this one.

Maybe BDS or some other fine member who loads more small bore pistol than I can offer a better solution.... But I'll do what I can.

I'll always suggest a true flat based bullet.

You'll ( or we'll ) need to do the math and find out the correct bullet hardness for your application and size- are you getting leading now, is that the issue ?
 
Leading isn't a significant problem, but combined with burned powder, it's a chore to clean the barrel after 100+ rounds.

The coated bullets fixed that little problem.
 
Well, I know for certain that 1 or two gas checked bullets pushes any remaining leading right on out of my 44's and 45's- but I don't get too much of it anymore except at load development.

My guess is that if its hard to remove but coming out, it might actually be lube- not lead itself. Unless you are using a choreboy or similar, leading is a bear to get out with just a BBL brush and hoppes !
 
Hi-tech coatings have been used for years in Australia, and are gaining in use and availability here in the US.
That and the powder coated bullets, whether electrostaticly sprayed and baked or simply shake and baked, with the standard adhesion test of smashing the bullets flat with a hammer, without any coating flaking off:eek:

Many sellers of these type bullet have invested in molds that do not have the traditional lube grooves for a longer engagement length.

This is key for me, using a bullet feeding die made for jacketed bullets, because the die collet fingers don't/won't get hung up in the lube grooves.

Plus, no more smoke than jacketed bullets, and a cleaner gun and barrel is all I needed to know to switch.

Lots of reading here, if you care to look rather than guess

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?184-Coatings-and-Alternatives
:D
 
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I'm coating and baking HI-TEK Dark Green coatings from Bayou Bullets right at the moment.

Talked to Donnie at Bayou yesterday, some new colors are available from them,

I ordered BRICK RED and a new SPARKLY GOLD.

ZOMBIE GREEN in a powered form of HI-TEK will be arriving from AUSTRALIA in several months, I'LL BE ALL OVER THAT.

Donnie told Hi-TEK Joe to try to make Pink colored HI-TEK.

Waiting on some HI-TEK mold release from Donnie to put my two new NO LUBE GROOVE, IRON 9 MM and 45 molds into service.

The molds are from a new company, HARDLINE INDUSTRIES, and they look great.
 
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