False Assumptions

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GunnerShotz

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The false assumptions:
#1 Government can stop violent behavior.
#2 Gun control laws will take guns away from every violent criminal.
#3 Without guns, there would be less violence against other people.

The truth:
#1 Only education and nurturing will stop violent behavior.
#2 Too many guns exist to reasonably and lawfully remove from society.
#3 Guns don't carry out an act of violence, people do.
 
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Sadly, any new firearms legislation will not have any effect on the existing illegal firearms possessed with evil intent in America.

Gangbangers, potential murderers, sociopaths, and other undesirables will not simply relinquish their arms at the signing of a new law. Those who wish to do evil in possession of any weapon will simply find another means of acquiring it, or another weapon.

In this latest tragedy, its very obvious that should he the attacker chose to have done so, he could have carried an explosive device into the theater capable of just as much destruction as he wrought with small arms. The only reason he did not is that he himself wanted to inflict each wound, end each life....and he had some sort of theory that he could escape that situation with his own life. Very sad, but very true.

This is not a standard legal weapons owner. This is a violent sociopath.

In truth, if you wanted to make a law that would prevent this tragedy, as well as another one in nearby Columbine....all you would need to do is outlaw social deviant and castigated 14-30 year old males who were failures in academic environments.

Hows that for some targeted legislation ? Not real fun is it..............but its true.

Its not the victims' fault.

Its not the weapons fault.

Its not the theaters fault.

Its not your fault.

Its not societies fault.

Its not my fault.

The fault rests solely in the lap of that "tie-died orange haired" freak.....no one else.

Society has a habit of producing violent aberrations in even the most peaceful and harmless of environments.

We are, by nature, a predatory and violent species. One that is frequently shortsighted and self serving at the most basic primitive level. When we feel that.... that ability to sustain ourselves in this society no longer exists, that primal creature takes over- no longer salved by the constraints of a polite society to which we no longer have the ability nor desire to connect with.

This too, is sad, but true.

No amount of litigation or restriction will prevent such aberrations, nor quash their ability to inflict their wounds of self perceived vitriolic justice on the society that has wronged them.

Its almost as if its a genetic glitch.

KILL KILL KILL

We have a motto, humanity.

Death is its banner- and it always has been......always will be.

The ability to take life , and the lives of others, into our hands as a responsibility or debt as individuals is both a very constructive and powerful force at the core of humanity.

It has both a light, and dark, side.

Even the mightiest of human spirits can be reduced to our primitive selves by failure, and use the abilities within and without us to lash out .......

But in the end, those failures are our own. Not that of our brothers.

They may be effect, and direct cause. Action however, rests solely in the hands of the individual.

That is something that no law, no test, no background check, nor assay will ever be able to detect- the will of the individual.
 
The false assumptions are true IMHO.

The truths have a problem or two.:banghead: :what:

You have to add "punishment of offenders as a deterrent" to the first truth to be accurate IMHO

On the second who determines that there are too many firearms??? When do we start to determine how many shoes, cans of beans, rolls of toilet paper, hammers, screw drivers, or whatever you wish to amass, is enough or for that matter too many???
IMHO a cellar/garage full of firearms for every citizen of legal age is probably not enough. Anyone that can afford and is able to legally own ANYTHING that they want should be able to IMHO. And we ALL should work on what is or is not legal as far as individual rights.

"I am from the government and I am here to help." should put any citizen on watch IMHO.
 
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The government is perfectly capable of stopping most violence. By becoming incredibly violent.
 
Why are there too many guns in existance? I can't figure that one out.
I think what he meant was that there are too many guns currently in circulation to effectively control. That's an assumption on my part, though.
 
#1 Only education and nurturing will stop violent behavior.
#2 Too many guns exist.

There's a very politically incorrect but rather convincing argument that Roe v Wade in 1973 caused the drop in violent crime in general and the homicide rate in particular in 1993. I saw the theory in Chapter 4 of the book Freakonomics (http://www.amazon.com/Freakonomics-...8&qid=1343410767&sr=8-1&keywords=freakonomics), which can be picked up used off Amazon for $5. I'm sure you can find the theory for free on Google as well.

I'm not sure where you're going with "too many guns exist" at all. A year ago I got a promotion and a pay raise at work, got my 03 FFL, and have bought 6 guns in the last year for $1,050 total. 3 of those were handguns, the most recent was a Yugoslavian M57 Tokarev from AIMSurplus. All these guns sit in my safe. I could buy another 6, or 20, or whatever, they'd sit in my safe and maybe go to the range every so often (I mostly just shoot 22LR and collect centerfire). I'm a little lost as to how the number of guns sitting in my safe affects the crime rate whatsoever. How many guns I own, the type of guns I own, whether or not I have a carry permit; none of that really causes or prevents two gangbangers from shooting each other in a turf war in downtown Tacoma.

IMHO the overall homicide rate is affected far more by things that neither the Brady Campaign/VPC/CSGV/etc. or the NRA are looking at, things like Roe v Wade, length of prison terms for violent offenders, parole policies for violent offenders, The War on Some Drugs aka Prohibition II, the number of gang members "on the streets", whether two powerful gangs are honoring a truce or engaged in a turf war at any given time, and so on.
 
Bring back public executions if you want the crime rate, gun-related or not, to fall in any significant fashion. Gun laws are, and always have been, nothing more than a sop to the general public to show that politicians are "doing something" about the problem. Bad guys are bad guys because they don't obey the law(s), so how will yet more laws, rules, or regulations do anything to deter them?
 
I think what he meant was that there are too many guns currently in circulation to effectively control. That's an assumption on my part, though.

That was the gist in response to false assumption #2. Thanks! And sorry about the confusion there.
 
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