False Flag Groups

[Rockwolf66]

On facebook I've been seeing groups like


Occupy the NRA

or

Gun Owners for Gun Control

I'm wondering if anyone else has seen these sorts of "false flag" groups and what can we as Honest firearms owners do about them? Especially if our non-firearms owning friends shares their propaganda.

I myself do try to educate my friends and to one Democrat friend of mine I used the Analogy of it's like a "pro-life" group pretending to be "pro-choice" in order to spread "pro-life" propaganda. I know it's not a tasteful analogy but it's one that I hope sinks in eventually.

Still we need to fight the propaganda these groups are trying to spread.

 

[Sam1911]

AHSA, of course, but they folded.

Thank goodness. I'm sure the dregs of that failed organization have moved on to form the initial seed of infection that has sprouted into these other groups.

 

[joeschmoe]

Start a similar page for the Brady Campaign for importing cheap surplus ammo and military arms. The VPC's pledge to arm all Americans with AR15's by 2014. Fienstien's how to build your own 30 round magazine page.

 

[Match10]

Georgia Gun Owners.... They continually impede Pro-gun legislation here in Georgia.

 

[steelerdude99]

I consider mayors against illegal guns to be "False Flag" as they are against all guns.

chuck

PS: I did not said group's name on purpose.

 

[Texshooter]

AHSA, of course, but they folded.

Thank goodness. I'm sure the dregs of that failed organization have moved on to form the initial seed of infection that has sprouted into these other groups.

I did not know that group of hypocrites had folded.

Always good to see Evil fail.

Thanks for the posting.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

AHSA folded early in the Obama Administration: AHSA had a much ballyhooed media event planned and announced but Obama did not show. According to Wikipedia: "Schoenke said AHSA was intended to bridge the gap between urban liberals and rural gun owners and did many events in support of Obama, but had to close down due to a lack of support for its goals by the Obama adiministration." Sourced to: Glenn Kessler, "The White House’s curious silence about Obama’s claim of skeet shooting", Washington Post, Fact Checker, 31 Jan 2013. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...e78bb10-6b35-11e2-95b3-272d604a10a3_blog.html

AHSA signed on to an amicus brief in Heller that is interesting:
http://www.americanbar.org/content/...07_08_07_290_RespondentAmCu11GeneralsAHSA.pdf
The amicus curiae brief of Maj. Gen. John D. Altenburg, Jr., et al., in the case of DC v Heller, argued that the individual right of the people to keep and bear arms supports and enhances the collective goal of supporting national defense, and that the dichotomy between individual right and militia right interpretations is false:

The Petitioners and Respondent are asking this Court to select among two mutually exclusive interpretations of the Second Amendment: one establishing an individual’s right to bear arms and, the other memorializing society’s right to organize a force for its collective defense. Amici suggest that this dichotomy, pitting individual rights against group rights, is not ordained by the language of the Second Amendment, which is a cogent blend of both individual rights and community rights, with each depending on the other. A well-regulated militia – whether ad hoc or as part of our organized military – depends on recruits who have familiarity and training with firearms – rifles, pistols and shotguns. Amici suggest that the Second Amendment ensures both the individual’s right to possess firearms, subject to reasonable regulation, and the constitutional goal of collective defense readiness. Based on decades of military experience, amici have concluded that the District of Columbia’s Gun Law (“D.C. Gun Law”), D.C. Code § 7-2502.01 et seq., directly interferes with various Acts of Congress aimed at enhancing the national defense by promoting martial training amongst the citizenry.

I did not trust AHSA's bona fides based on research in 2007. They never had more than 150 dues paying members. They started with a lot of pro-control people in charge who were later replaced by persons with less of a track record of supporting gun control. They impressed me as an astro-turf (fake grassroots) group formed to promote gun restrictions.

Summary here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Hunters_and_Shooters_Association

 

[Rockwolf66]

I heard over the radio that nanny Bloomberg brought in a "Hunters" group when Gun control was forced down the throat of Coloradoans. Does anyone remember the name of the group and who pulls their strings.

I'm thinking is that we should make a list of these groups and who actually controls them.

 

[Deanimator]

I did not trust AHSA's bona fides based on research in 2007. They never had more than 150 dues paying members.

It was virtually the same with their predecessor, the "National Firearms Association" (NFA) in the '90s. They refused to release the IDs of their board of directors, citing "fear of harassment". It was widely believed that their BoD shared many members with a number of well known anti-gun groups.

NFA disappeared almost without trace.

 

[beatledog7]

MAIG is a false flag group. It is a scam organization with a name that is entirely and intentionally misleading. It is being run by a megalomaniac. As such, it's dangerous to freedom.

 

[Mp7]

...

I find simple-minded, single-issue fox-news-informed gun-owners to
be the worst enemy ... of the RKBA cause.

Humor, or false flag movements have no basis
without the sometimes embarassingly blunt arguments, that
are as empty as the arguments from the "shoulder thing that goes up" side.


Whenever i read "good" and "evil" in a democratic
context ... i chuckle....

 

[Sam1911]

I find simple-minded, single-issue fox-news-informed gun-owners to
be the worst enemy ... of the RKBA cause.

I don't know about "the worst enemy" (LOL!) but anyone who thinks they really 'get' gun rights based off what Fox News says is a poor ally in the fight for sure.

Whenever i read "good" and "evil" in a democratic context ... i chuckle....

Certainly true! There's "evil" and "evil." We always try to pick the less abominable of the choices.

 

[Diamondback6]

Hey, Rocky! Long time no see from AmBack...

And good point, False Flag ops have long been a page in the other side's dirty-tricks playbook. Was gonna mention AHSA as an example, but have well been beaten to the punch...

 

[Rockwolf66]

Yeah I forgot my password and I ended up drifting away from Firearms forums for a bit even avoided IMFDB.

Since Sandy Hook the Progressives on Facebook have been like stirred up hornets and it's impossible to talk to them using facts and logic. I've been "unfriended" by a few as I keep refuting the "Facts" that they post from such false flag groups or heck outright anti-firearms groups. I've used the FBI, the CDC, Coldservings list of those who want to take our guns, British government crime statistics, Australian government crime statistics, and anything else I can find to counter their garbage. It really does tick a progressive off when I win over their friends to my side of the argument. Then again some progressives scare me. like Mr. "I'd violate the rights of 75 million people if it saves just one life."

I'm sorry I'm venting and It's getting to the point where I wish that the progressives I'm dealing with could be locked away because some of them are political fanatics who are dangerously sociopathic IMO.

 

[GlowinPontiac]

Connecticut Against Gun Violence (CAGV).

They claim to be against illegal guns but all they do is lobby for gun bans and confiscation from legal owners.

They have gone so far as to pay to have commercials put on local radio stations stating that the Sandy Hook shooter legally posessed the guns he used in the massacre. (he stole the guns he used)

 

[rodinal220]

CNN