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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by wannabeagunsmith, Jan 18, 2013.

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  1. wannabeagunsmith

    wannabeagunsmith Member

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    I saw this on my wall and couldn't help myself. Can you please help me with this? I will keep you all updated, and fyi I am 17 she is 15.. Im Zack BTW





    If I see one more post about people and their gun rights being "lost", I will kick a puppy and go into a full, many paragraphed, well put together argument about why you have nothing to worry about. NO ONE on the face of the earth wants me to go into a political rant.

    12 people like this..

    Joshua Please proceed O Mighty facebook warrior, and prove to us you have no life.

    Zack Go ahead then. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing and there are efforts to confinscate civilian weapons out there so I am not stopping.

    Sarah Exactly WHAT efforts would those be, Zack? You think the government is gonna hire 100,000 people and come to everyone's door and say "I would like your guns please?" no. they cant do that. Its a violation of the 2nd, 4th, and 10th amendment. In order to violate THOSE amendments they have to first CREATE and amendment(s) enabling them to do so. Which is a time consuming and unnecessary task, not to mention the violation of so many amendments would NOT pass. Also, the sheer manpower required to take everyone's guns is impossible. Who's gonna do it? Not the military. I think you'll survive without a mag holding more than ten rounds.

    Tyler If youre a red neck, you wont. lol

    Sarah true

    Frances Why in the civilian world would you even want a ten round mag? Or for that matter a gun designed explicitly for killing people?

    Tyler Believe it or not, some people dont THINK that it is JUST for killing people..

    Zack And what do you need to take away mags that hold more than 10 rounds for is what I ask you. And yes in New York they are talking about a mandatory gun buyback and Feinstein is talking about a nationwide manditory gun buyback. On top of that the whold purpose of the second amendment is NOT duck hunting it is the people's right to keep the government in check. THAT is why "assault" weapons are needed.

    Zack @Frances, The AR-15 is a civilianized version of the military's M16 so therefore it is not intended to kill people. The M16 is and I agree full auto weapons are not needed by civilians but AR 15's are not like the m16 in any way other than looks.



    Please tell me how I should handle this from here
     
  2. hso

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    The best thing to do is stop right where you are and do some research here.

    Look for the threads on the FBI UCR and the CDC, National Research Council, and DoJ studies on the effectiveness on the '94 AWB. The studies were at the behest of the Clinton administration. They were intended to show the effect on violent crime rates the AWB was expected to have. Instead they all showed that so-called "gun control" laws, including the AWB, had no beneficial impact on the rate of violent crime in the U.S. Look at the FBI UCR threads and how the FBI analysis of crime in the U.S. shows that violent crime has fallen by 17% since 2007 and that all rifles in 2011 were used in less than 3% of all murders as opposed to hands and feet that were used in 12% of them. Ask how does the violent crime rate in the U.S. fall while ARs and similar semiauto rifles using 20 and 30 round magazines have become the most popular firearm purchased during those years and that there are over half a million magazines that hold more than 10 rounds in people's hands if these firearms are supposed to make crime rates higher. Point out that none of the government studies trumpeted the AWB as having reduced crime, that crime has fallen year after year since the expiration of the AWB while AR sales and 20-30 round magazine sales have gone up, and that when something doesn't cause a problem you don't treat it as if it does and ignore the real cause of the problem.
     
  3. USAF_Vet

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    You are dealing with a group of children educated and brainwashed by the liberal left. They are not thinking for themselves, they are regurgitating liberal talking points.

    It is pointless to debate someone who can not, and will not think for themselves.

    But if you insist on dragging yourself through the mire of teenaged opinions, I'd start by pointing out the recent NY legislation that limits magazine capacity with no grandfathering. Thousands of law abiding citizen are now faced with the possibility of becoming criminals if they do not abandon their property. They are not being confiscated, but it yields the same result.

    Then point out the proposal in CT, limiting firearms to a SINGLE round.

    Then, find a few good articles from The Armed Citizen, focusing in on kids and women who have defended themselves and their families with firearms.

    When asked why I need a 30 round magazine in a semi automatic rifle, I reply with the fact that many bad guys are also running around with similar weapons. If it comes to it, I do not want a fair fight. In a fair fight, it's a 50/50 chance I lose. I want to stack the deck as heavily in my favor as I possibly can. If I'm stuck with a 10 round magazine, legally, and a criminal has once again ignored the law and is running around with a 30 round magazine, if whose favor is the deck stacked? Do you really want the bad guys to win? If a bad guy has a 10 round magazine, I want a 30 round magazine. If he has a 30 round magazine, I want body armor. If he has body armor, I want something else that will give me an advantage so at the end of the day, I'm back at home with my family rather than slabbed out in the morgue.

    But, really, just don't get involved with kids.
     
  4. mortablunt

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    Skip the "If one more..." phase and just go to preparing your counterstrike.
     
  5. oneounceload

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    Seems you need to block some folks while you gather your rebuttal
     
  6. mgkdrgn

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    Zack,

    You never argue -anything- logically with a 15 year old girl. They just ain't wired that way.
     
  7. 303tom

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    My daughter-in-laws mother posted, that we need to stop posting all this gun stuff, I told her I was not going to stop posting it & unfriended her, nuff said..................
     
  8. mmitch

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    Face-pamphlet.

    As real as it gets for virtual humans.

    Mike
     
  9. Spats McGee

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    As someone pointed out, rational debate with a 15-year-old girl is going to be difficult if not impossible.

    As for this:
    Just because it would be unconstitutional doesn't mean that it cannot be done. Possessing methamphetamine is illegal, but it can be done. If she believes that the government is incapable of violating the various amendments, google:
    1) 42 U.S.C. 1983
    2) The internment of American citizens of Japanese descent during WWII
     
  10. wannabeagunsmith

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    Thanks guys, I just posted some of what you all said, and they keep posting incoherrient things nonetheless. I see myself unfriending someone in the near future, only problem is that they would go off proclaiming they won..
     
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    Unfriend Facebook. There. Done.
     
  12. mgkdrgn

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    TURN OFF Farcebook ... finished
     
  13. Prophet

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    If you believe a lie long enough, it eventually becomes truth.

    As such, untruthful arguments must be confronted wherever they may appear, especially among our youth.

    Like it or not, social media is a powerful tool and the future of activism. It wouldn't be banned in certain countries if it were not so. By not getting involved and learning how to appeal to the facebook generation you are not only neglecting an outlet through which you may effectively exercise your 1A rights, but you are also neglecting the most important demographic of our citizenry; our youth. If you have the youth, you have the future. So if you really want to fight for your children's rights to own firearms, help them out a little and learn how to appeal to their peers (and their parents) through social media. If you don't want to use your real info to sign up then use an alias. If you don't want to become friends with people in your social community (why you wouldn't want to reach the people in your own community I have no idea) then use the alias account to post on sites like MSNBC, ABC, CNN or whatever other outlets come to mind. Help pro-2A groups strengthen their online presence by becoming a fan of the NRA, GOA, SAF, The 2a Movement, etc. It's not like you have to feel trapped into using FB or Twitter for anything else.

    I learned a lot of what I know about 2A right here on THR. The resources and discussions to be found here are relatively scarce particularly within the realms of social media. With everything that's been going on lately social media outlets ought to be flooded with the basic arguments against GC that this forum's membership generally stands behind, but instead it is currently being flooded by the MSM and the youth of this nation are sponging it up. Why? Because the other side is ahead of the propaganda curve, leaving many of us behind to gag on our own little dustcloud that we've kicked up by running in circles around ourselves.

    That's not to say contacting our lawmakers isn't important; it's vital. But what happens when all of you guys kick it and the next generation doesn't understand the importance of 2A and contacting their lawmakers, hmm?

    So in short; cut the old fogey-ism, guys (and in sympathizing with your valid complaints concerning facebook and social media, I mean that in the most respectful and humble way possible. :D) Most of us are probably already on a list anyway.

    wannabeagunsmith; you're right, when you lose an argument you get nowhere. But maybe you need to rethink your definition of "loser". This isn't a particularly hard argument to win because your opponents are immature. Bombard them with facts and polite, well-reasoned and well-researched arguments. I say well-researched because there are a lot of fallacious arguments out there, even on our side. When your opponents make fools of themselves BY TYPING like THIS!!!! and devolving into basket cases, they have lost and you have won. Don't think so much about trying to change their minds, because it's very likely you will not. Instead, focus more on changing the minds of fence-sitters who may be looking on. Onlookers are not caught up on the pride and emotionalism of the debate, so they are more likely to see who is making the logical argument and who is the nonsensical basket case.

    Keep up the good fight, Zach. Our nation will need more like you going down the road. Be proud and count yourself as one among Patriots.
     
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    Thank you sir. I got in the last word and hopefully I changed some minds.
     
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    I want to know why we are allowed to help kids with their FaceBook arguments, but the kid (username horsemen61) who asked for help with his school assignment earlier today had his thread shut down by a moderator immediately.

    Were you in a bad mood earlier, Jorg? :rolleyes:
     
  16. pockets

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    It's FaceBook.

    A vast wasteland.......Give it a few more years and it'll mercifully go the way of myspace.
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  17. goon

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    Point of fact, the Long Land Bess musket of the French and Indian and Revolutionary wars was about five feet long, stout as hell, and topped with a seventeen inch bayonet. It was made for shooting, beating, and sticking the enemy. Washington himself ordered that all loads after 1777 be loaded with a combination of buck-and-ball, which was one musket ball and eight or ten buckshot pellets. The founders were fans of effective weapons with high rates of fire in civilian hands.
    Food for thought.
     
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    Dude, fb is now a huge corporate entity that tracks you everywhere you go on the net. Cut your losses right now brother. I deactivated my account about two months ago and never looked back. It is not that important.
     
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    Post this up. My daughter wrote it and it has shut up everybody so far. I guess taking on a 14 year old is a bit much for them:
     
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    I like this quote, but the author is thought of as controversial, which can limit it's impact.

    "If you are for gun control, then you're not against guns, because the guns

    will be needed to disarm people. You'll need to go around, pass laws, and shoot

    people who resist, kick in doors, and throw people in jail, and so on; rip up

    families, just to take away guns. So it's not that you're anti-gun, because

    [...] you'll need the police's guns to take away other people's guns, so you're

    very pro-gun, you just believe that only the government (which is of course so

    reliable, honest, moral, virtuous, and forward-thinking) should be allowed to

    have guns. So there's no such thing as gun control, there's only centralizing

    gun ownership in the hands of a small political elite and their minions. Gun

    control is a misnomer." Stefan Molyneux
     
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