FBI Picking Up Makarovs for Testing...

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This is a July '03 article and may have played on THR already, but a title search on "Makarov" and "FBI" was negative.

http://kstp.com/article/view/108546/

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Updated: 07-18-2003 11:07:32 AM

Gun owners say the FBI is rounding up pistols in a nationwide effort to catch a killer. Investigative Reporter Kristin Stinar tells us, they're looking for gun parts sold by a Minnesota arms importer.

Federal authorities served a federal grand-jury subpoena on Federal Arms Corporation a Fridley based company. The subpoena ordered the company to turn over the names of all customers who bought a certain custom gun barrel. Federal packs and ships gun parts all over the country. Where they go is supposed to be top secret client information according to Federal owner Tim Gow, "We hold our clients information extremely private and dear."

Gow says he was stunned when the FBI stormed in with a subpoena for records of clients who bought a barrel for a gun called a Makarov. "We had no choice," Gow said.

One of the clients was Jon Grove of Virginia. Grove says an FBI agent took his gun. "Said he was trying to find a particular weapon used in a murder and they were rounding up all these Federal Arms Corporation barrels from Makarov's," Grove said.

This is a case the FBI is taking very personally. They want to catch the person who murdered Tom Wales, a federal prosecutor from Seattle. The killer used a Makarov gun with a special replacement barrel.

Gow says he sold hundreds of those barrels and is angry that all those customers may now get a visit from the FBI, "I can understand customers confusion and anger in regards to being contacted."

The FBI hopes marks on a shell casings found at the scene and slugs recovered from the body will match a gun barrel used in the murder.

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Also available: http://www.packing.org/talk/thread.jsp/13781 discussion.

If you have a Makarov AND a Federal Arms aftermarket barrel, take heed.

I guess this is a Patriot thing, huh?
 
Tom Wales was a leadng anti-gun advocate in Washington state. This story has been around before.

If your gun wasn't involved in the crime, testing it will give them nothing. My advice is to say "bring a warrant (you know, the Constitution) and you can have anything it authorizes." Otherwise call my lawyer. His phone number is XXX.

This is a colossal waste of time, a disrespect for your rights, and something that should be discouraged. The murderer doesn't live in Minneapolis or Louisville, or Miami. Looking there just wastes valuable LE resources that could be better utilized chasing down another case with some real leads.
 
F4gib Yes.

I know of the event some three years old now - but I didn't know of the Makarov/Federal Arms barrel thing. This article is of July 2003 so things have been happening - the reason for my post.
 
Gee, if we all just sent in all of our guns to be tested, then the FBI could solve ALL of the gun crimes! Great idea!

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What it boils down to is that registration Stateside is a fact despite what your politicians tell you. All those forms you fill in means your firearms are registered. Otherwise, your ATF and FBI wouldn't be able to make these demands.
 
Because in the past three years who knows where the gun is.

If might have been bought and sold through legal channels several times by now.

The barrel might be at the bottom of Puget Sound.

The whole gun might have been turned in in a NYC buy back program.

But then again there are morons who kill someone and then keep the gun around for evidence.

But then again there are some who feel that it's OK to harass thousands of law abiding citizens just to chase wild geese.
 
because this is an act of senseless groping for evidence on the part of the FBI (the reason(s) it's senseless being nicely covered by Bluesbear)

after three years, the best lead they have is the fact that the gun was a makarov with a Federal Arms barrel (oh THAT'S encouraging as to how my tax money is spent :rolleyes: ). the person who did this is LONG gone from any "firearms evidence" that might link him to the commision of this crime (if he's stupid enough to keep the gun, he'd have made OTHER major screw ups and be caught by now) the FBI is fishing and is doing so in a VERY slipshod and borderline manner.

The reason this is most likely being done b/c there are OTHER federal prosecutors and other assorted judicial functionaries(sp?) out there that are scared poopless that they're the next person on some nutjob's "list", and therefore are NOT letting the FBI admit defeat and move on with solving cases that CAN be solved.

as bluesbear stated IF the gun IS found it is highly unlikely to still be anywhere near the actual shooter, and the odds of it being found through the methods outlined in the above article are so low as to be ludicrous.
 
the guy has commited close to the perfect murder. if he had policed his brass then swapped his barrels back then it would be the perfect murder.
 
here's why

Ant Mod and others,
Here's th answer you have been seeking:
The reason that a given method for cathcing a bad guy can STILL be wrong, despite being successful, in ths country is if that method infringes upon individual rights of a free people.

We as a society have the ability to administer truth serum (sodium thiopental, and others) to everyone in the country every 6 months for a mandatory pre-emptive screening of your intent to commit a crime. I, as practitioner very familiar with the administraion of the drugs, can deliver the drug to virtually anyone with no additional risk beyond that of starting an intravenous line, a general anesthetic, and possibly supportive medications if you have other health issues that need addressing while undergoing the procedure. Same anesthetic for any surgery you may have.

So everyone please line up. Hurry now.

What? You don't think that's a good idea? Why not?

If you mean that one of the risks of general anethesia, even a minor one, is DEATH; big deal. A small percentage of you will die but with the knowledge that everyone else is spilling their guts bout anything they are asked, and a few of those will tell of crimes they intend to committ.

It WILL work, so lets do it!


....

Here's a better one, more extreme.

If we round up EVERYONE, bar none, we will then be certain to have apprehended all criminals. Sorting them out is the hard part. Nevermind that our Constitution is supposed to protect us from this very occurrence.

How about we then shoot, or gas, the wholegroup. All criminal are certain to perish.

If it helps catch a criminal, what are you all complaining about?
......

Had enough yet?
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Were I going to commit a crime like this, I'd ditch the barrel post haste, after cutting it apart.
 
If I am ever murdered, I want all of you to not let the government violate ANYONE's rights just for the sake of catching them. I'd rather it remain unsolved. If I am ever wrongly convicted of murder and sentenced to death, I will appeal my conviction on the merits, but never challange the death penalty on principle.

If I won't live and die by my convictions (principles), then what are they worth?
 
tut tut

Henry,
If it helps catch your killer, what's the big deal?
Agent Schmuckatelli

:rolleyes:
 
This is a wolf in sheep's clothing, or more than likely, a wolf in wolf's clothing. In the extremely unlikely event that the killer is caught still in possession of the murder weapon, and the killer is linked to the crime via the replacement barrel (I know, very unlikely, but let's suppose) the antis would have a field day, and this high profile case would be the poster child for ballistic fingerprinting.

We all know that the killer would have to be monumentally stupid for retaining the murder weapon, but some criminals have been known to be monumentally stupid. In the meantime, the FEDS are desperate to solve this case, and it seems as though they're grasping at straws at this point in the case.
 
When you buy gun parts, do it privately. Use postal money orders and have the parts sent to a mail drop.
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You're videotaped every time you go into a US Post Office, and the Postal Money Order is recorded as to when it was sold (time-stamped record).

You're better off buying one at a check cashing store, it'll slow any records search.
 
"You're videotaped every time you go into a US Post Office, and the Postal Money Order is recorded as to when it was sold (time-stamped record)."

Wear a fedora and a trenchcoat, jeans, solid-colored t-shirt, and those running shoes you're about to throw out. Look down.

Anyway, most of those cameras are not terribly high-quality. Just don't glare at them at close range and expect to remain anonymous.
 
If you're worried about the Federales tracking down a gun part you bought, or tracking down every single buyer of that same type of part and finding you, just buy the thing for cash from a gun shop or a gun show.

No records required for parts (other than the 'receiver') purchases.
 
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