Federal Lawsuit Of Gunclub In Ledyard Ct

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Here we go!! :rolleyes:

http://www.theday.com/re.aspx?re=ec5bd7cb-afba-44a6-9926-572fdd1ef156

Ledyard — Luanne Hespeler has instructed her three children to immediately head inside and to the basement anytime they hear gunfire while playing in the back yard.

Gunshots are not uncommon where Hespeler lives, in the Wolf Ridge Gap subdivision, a couple of miles north of the Ledyard Sportsmen's Club at 10 Whipple Road. Hespeler said she fears for the safety of her family and neighbors, not because of their proximity to a firing range but because of what she says are a lack of safety measures at the private gun club.

Several houses and businesses in Ledyard Center, where the 10 single-family homes on Wolf Ridge Gap are located, have in recent years been hit with bullets that have purportedly strayed from the club.

Now Hespeler, her husband, John, and 11 neighbors have filed a federal lawsuit against both the town and the club. Their attorney, John R. Williams, could not be reached for comment Tuesday.

Joe Trudelle, chairman of the club's board of directors, referred all questions to the club's Milford attorney, Brian W. Smith. Smith could not be reached for comment.

The residents' goal, Hespeler said, is not to shut the club down, but to make it safe.

“I don't think it's unreasonable,” Hespeler said. “Shoot whatever you want. Just be sure the bullets aren't going to land in our houses.”

Hespeler said she and others have brought their concerns to town officials and club representatives, to no avail.

“They're not going to acknowledge that there's a problem,” she said. “So therefore you're not going to get a resolution to the problem. And you know, the bottom line is, someone is going to get killed.”

Mayor Susan Mendenhall said the town is, in fact, taking the issue seriously and is reviewing it. The club, she added, is taking “an extremely proactive position” by revamping its rifle range with safety in mind.

Hespeler said the town has a responsibility to make sure residents are safe from stray bullets.

The gun club opened in 1969. The Wolf Ridge Gap subdivision was approved in December 1994.

The town's director of planning and economic development, Brian Palaia, said that when the town approved Sablewoods and Cedar Ridge, two subdivisions that sit on either side of the club, the developers were required to notify potential buyers, through postings on their site plans, of the subdivisions' proximity to the club.

Hespeler said the prevalence of bullets in her neighborhood has devalued her home.

In one incident on May 31, 2006, a bullet struck a window at Thomas Lewis' dental office at 10 Fairway Drive, causing no injuries but prompting Lewis to sue the club. A state police ballistic report was unable to determine the origin of the bullet. Bullets have also reportedly hit an oil company building nearby.

Hespeler said she is certain the bullets are all coming from the club.

The lawsuit argues that “high-power rifles” used on the membership-only firing range “have converted the plaintiffs' homes and yards into a virtual free-fire zone.” It also states that gunfire is routinely heard in homes on Wolf Ridge Gap and Colonel Ledyard Highway and that bullets from the club have struck four of the plaintiffs' homes or accessory structures.

“Plaintiffs and their children, attempting to carry on the ordinary activities of life in their yards, have experienced bullets whizzing overhead,” it states.

Hespeler said club members shoot into a mound of dirt without enclosures to prevent stray bullets from leaving the property, which assessment records lists as being 188 acres.

“You can have a very safe outside range and kept it safe,” Hespeler said. “But they have nothing down there. It's just an open field.”
 
In one incident on May 31, 2006, a bullet struck a window at Thomas Lewis' dental office at 10 Fairway Drive, causing no injuries but prompting Lewis to sue the club. A state police ballistic report was unable to determine the origin of the bullet. Bullets have also reportedly hit an oil company building nearby

I would like to point out that the police responded to the club within minutes of this incident and confiscated an individuals rifle on the spot and ran ballistics on it. The results were inconclusive. They were convinced they had the source of this incident in their hands...
 
The gun club opened in 1969. The Wolf Ridge Gap subdivision was approved in December 1994.

There you have it. The selfishness never ends. They knowingly bought a home next to a shooting range and now they want to put the range out of business. As time goes by it seems to me that people get more and more stupid.
 
Sounds reasonable to me. I'm usually not sympathetic when homeowners try to shut down ranges, but they seem to just be asking for reasonable safety measures in this case. If what they claim is true, i.e., that bullets are leaving the range property on a regular basis and striking homes and businesses, then that range indeed has a major problem, either in its design/layout, membership, management, or some combination of the three.
 
hmm. i don't know the whole story, but the plaintiff doesn't sound like a foaming at the mouth anti.
Agreed.

Here are two simple statements, both of which have a impact on this case:
“I don't think it's unreasonable,” Hespeler said. “Shoot whatever you want. Just be sure the bullets aren't going to land in our houses.”
The gun club opened in 1969. The Wolf Ridge Gap subdivision was approved in December 1994.

Mike
 
The club is building an overhead baffle system to maintain a low trajectory window on the rifle range.

I am not a member of this club, but I shoot there with co-workers...
 
Hespeler said club members shoot into a mound of dirt without enclosures to prevent stray bullets from leaving the property, which assessment records lists as being 188 acres.

If the club doesnt have a proper backstop and controlled firing positions and Baffles (rr ties mounted above the firing postions and to the front of them, to prevent stray round from leaving the range or idiots from firing into the air) then that is a problem that needs to be addressed.

Otherwise these folks should move and sell their house or learn to deal with the noise.
 
Same crap at our range. It opened in 1944, and was surrounded by a housing developments in the 1980's.
They have already succeeded in shutting down the 200 and 300 yard range, and caused the range to spend many thousands to build structures to contain bullets.
What moron would move next to a range and then complain about noise from shooting?
(The same ones who move near an airport and then complain about noise from airplanes)
 
Let me see if I am interpreting this right: this small subdivision is more than 1 mile north of the rifle range (based on google maps). And they have multiple incedents of bullet impacts in that neighborhood? Seems like a longshot to get multiple bullets impacting in a small area more than a mile away, when you can't even see their houses.

Rifle range points NNW?

How do they hear gunfire thru 1 mile of heavy woods?

And why is this a fed lawsuit?

I assume the club is shooting into an earth backstop.

Any more insight to share?
 
There you have it. The selfishness never ends. They knowingly bought a home next to a shooting range

and

What moron would move next to a range and then complain about noise from shooting?

might look back at:

where Hespeler lives, in the Wolf Ridge Gap subdivision, a couple of miles north of the Ledyard Sportsmen's Club

I see nothing wrong with expecting not to take rounds from a firing range a couple of miles away. Club needs to fix things.
 
I see nothing wrong with expecting not to take rounds from a firing range a couple of miles away. Club needs to fix things.

There is zero proof these rounds came from the club. There is all kinds of independent shooting in the woods around the club.

They confiscated the only individuals rifle at the club the day that the round hit the dentist office and it was not a ballistics match.
 
A local club had a neighbor complain about the noise and danger of the club shooting bullets everywhere, they called the sherriff a number of times to complain, and finally they had bullet holes in the barn to prove they were in danger. The sherriff investigated and somehow the bullet holes had come from the inside of the barn toward the range. That was the last complaint I remember from them.
 
Unless the club can prove, through an inspection by a certified range designer, that there is no way a round could accidentally escape the range, the homeowners may have a valid complaint.
And, yes, ranges can be designed to be virtually escape proof.
 
If the range has a feature to limit elevation and the problem continues then the range is not at fault.

If it does put such a feature in place and the problem goes away, everyone is happier and safer.
 
This range is built with the target area at a decline angle from the line. There is a vast back stop area here.

I don't think you could "sky" a shot unless you were deliberately trying to do so. If that were the case, you wouldn't need to do that at a gunclub, you could easily do it from anywhere...
 
Hespeler said she is certain the bullets are all coming from the club.

What more proof does anyone need? ;)

the article is a little short on info but if the range wants to be a good neighbor they ought to fix things as best as possible.

Just because the range pre-existed it does not mean people do not have the right to be safe in property that adjoins it. I shoot in my woods outside my home, someday (years?) there will be homes nearby, it is not unreasonable for those future homeowners to want to live in safety. I will have to adapt my range or stop shooting, it is not asking too much.
 
The club is responsible for maintaining good relationships with the neighbors.

A lot of people are pretty bad at that, and pay the price. That's just the way the world works, though.

The club I belong to has adopted a much more businesslike model lately, and it's been an good thing. It pisses off some of the old curmudgeons, but we're still there, still solvent, and even building more facilities, in a rapidly growing metropolitan area. If the curmudgeons had their way, we'd be defunct and they could all sit and grumble at home rather than go shooting.

WRT bullets flying, we have a 100 yard indoor rifle range. You wouldn't believe the bullet damage in the walls and roof. The handgun range is FAR worse. People have shot the target carriers (motor boxes that power the lines that retrieve targets when you push a button) which are directly above the shooting benches!

It's entirely possible for bullets to fly up and out of a range. You or I might never do that, but not everyone who shoots is you or me!

Anyway, the club appears to have failed to meet the residents halfway. Maybe they're faking it, but it really doesn't sound like they're unreasonable.

You don't have the right to shoot bullets OFF of your property, even if you may have the right to shoot them ON your property.

I hope this can be settled peacefully.
 
"There you have it. The selfishness never ends. They knowingly bought a home next to a shooting range and now they want to put the range out of business. As time goes by it seems to me that people get more and more stupid."

They come here to OK, buy a big place and build their dream house. Then when the wind changes they find out they are one-half mile from a hog farm or cattle feed lot. They they whine, oh goodness they whine.
 
Unless the club can prove, through an inspection by a certified range designer, that there is no way a round could accidentally escape the range, the homeowners may have a valid complaint.

I thought it was the other way around, they had a valid complaint if they could prove it came from the range.

And, yes, ranges can be designed to be virtually escape proof.

At quite an expense, to be undertaken by a club that hasn't been shown to be responsible. But if it shuts down to avoid the expense, I'm sure the homeowner would be "sad."
 
They come here to OK, buy a big place and build their dream house. Then when the wind changes they find out they are one-half mile from a hog farm or cattle feed lot. They they whine, oh goodness they whine.

Yeah, that's true. Here it was a local stock car track (well, that was one incident, anyway.)

Karma was served, though. They took out the track and put in a heliport.:D

The track was only loud during sunny months on Saturday night 'til 11. And it provided cheap family entertainment.

The heliport, on the other hand...

That said, you really don't have the right to shoot bullets onto others' property, even if you did buy your plot of land before they did. Noise complaints? No way! But as I said, there's a fine line when it comes to property rights, and I think flying lead does cross that line.
 
Even military bases aren't immune from this type of idiocy, although generally, due to range design and the sheer amount of land military bases usually occupy, you don't have rounds leaving the base.

Here at Fort Lewis, about every 3 years or so, the local paper runs a story about folks who live around the base complaining about the noise, mostly from artillery and demolitions training. My house is over 8 miles from the impact area, and I can hear it. There are a huge number of houses being built in Yelm, which is only about 2-3 miles from the impact area (from the edge-the impact area itself is 2-4 klicks across), and boy do those folks bitch.

Funny how the folks in tiny little Roy, which is even closer, but doesn't have any new developments, you never hear a thing from them.

The one thing I'm wondering is why the heck is this a federal lawsuit, and not a state issue? If I was the federal judge, I'd throw it out and tell them to go through their state and local courts.
 
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