Then move the school!
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JohnKSa
The police had better things to do with their time and we have also been involved in court over access issues to the land as our access road was cut by a developer who owns most of the surrounding land.
This was small cake in comparision to that.
This does highlight another problem that many ranges face even with range protection acts. Since these are in the realm of civil law the club can do bust over the legal fees.
If you win you may recover costs, but you have to get there first. The access road fight has nearly bankrupted the club although that is now thankfully drawing to a close. I suspect that is what was on the mind of the developer so he could buy the land when we went bust. The board of directors all reached into their pockets and put over $20000 on the table right there and then for the fight. Without that we would have been shut by now.
I suspect the next fight will be to get the 500 yard shilouette range put in.
The police had better things to do with their time and we have also been involved in court over access issues to the land as our access road was cut by a developer who owns most of the surrounding land.
This was small cake in comparision to that.
This does highlight another problem that many ranges face even with range protection acts. Since these are in the realm of civil law the club can do bust over the legal fees.
If you win you may recover costs, but you have to get there first. The access road fight has nearly bankrupted the club although that is now thankfully drawing to a close. I suspect that is what was on the mind of the developer so he could buy the land when we went bust. The board of directors all reached into their pockets and put over $20000 on the table right there and then for the fight. Without that we would have been shut by now.
I suspect the next fight will be to get the 500 yard shilouette range put in.
Alert from GRNC - Online Poll too!
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Subject: GRNC Alert 06-20-05: Charlotte Rifle & Pistol Club in Danger - Your Input Needed!
Date: 20 Jun 05 20:27:45 -0500
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GRNC Alert 06-20-05:
Charlotte Rifle & Pistol Club in Danger - Your Input Needed
ANTI-GUNNERS TRYING TO SHUT DOWN RANGE
Let them know what you think on their poll.
http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=95796
The Charlotte Rifle and Pistol Club has been at its present location in Union County for nearly 50 YEARS, now due to the construction of a new elementary school nearby, anti-gun residents are waging a media campaign to force them to close.
Channel 14 in Charlotte is running a story with a web poll. There are signs that national anti-gun organizations may be attempting to skew this poll to their favor. Your valuable input is needed.
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: GRNC Alert 06-20-05: Charlotte Rifle & Pistol Club in Danger - Your Input Needed!
Date: 20 Jun 05 20:27:45 -0500
From: GRNC Alerts <[email protected]>
To:
Grass Roots North Carolina, P.O. Box 10684, Raleigh, NC 27605
919-664-8565, www.grnc.org, GRNC Alert Hotline: (919) 562-4137
GRNC Alert 06-20-05:
Charlotte Rifle & Pistol Club in Danger - Your Input Needed
ANTI-GUNNERS TRYING TO SHUT DOWN RANGE
Let them know what you think on their poll.
http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=95796
The Charlotte Rifle and Pistol Club has been at its present location in Union County for nearly 50 YEARS, now due to the construction of a new elementary school nearby, anti-gun residents are waging a media campaign to force them to close.
Channel 14 in Charlotte is running a story with a web poll. There are signs that national anti-gun organizations may be attempting to skew this poll to their favor. Your valuable input is needed.
IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED
- Read the story at: http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=95796
- Vote in the web poll which can be found a quarter of the way down in the right column.
- Tell your friends about this important issue. DON'T LET A GOOD SHOOTING CLUB BE RAILROADED. Pro-gunners have proven time and again that when we band together, we will win.
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cortez kid
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My daughter lives in N. Augusta, SC. There are gun range noise signs all over. Never here any noise. No complaints. Proud to be a "yankee" down there. I found out the difference between a yankee and a damn yankee. A yankee is a northerner down there. A damn yankee is one that moves there!
I like having acerage of my own, although more and more new yorkas anjoisey people are moving in. Anyone walks on my "range" is going to get shot and antlers stapled to their heads. Not worried though, first day of deer season is an actual school holiday. It sounds like 'Nam the satuday before the season opens. It's actually scary!
kid
I like having acerage of my own, although more and more new yorkas anjoisey people are moving in. Anyone walks on my "range" is going to get shot and antlers stapled to their heads. Not worried though, first day of deer season is an actual school holiday. It sounds like 'Nam the satuday before the season opens. It's actually scary!
kid
Don Gwinn
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I see this getting worse at my range, too. It's been there since 1946, but a few years ago, before I joined, some local real estate bigwig built a house on a hill downrange.
Now, this is a great club, and the first thing the officers did when they noticed construction up there (you can just see the roof over the berm from the highest point of the rifle line when the leaves are off the trees!
) was stop by and talk to the contractor, then to the owner, about the wisdom of building there. He wasn't interested in hearing about it.
Until he had the house built, when he decided he had rights and started claiming he could hear bullets going over his house and splashing in his pond. This range does not allow firing while moving or drawing from holsters, specifically because they don't want a shot going over the berm. They've also paid a fortune to raise the rifle line and extend and raise the berms, and they don't allow metal or glass targets so as not to allow ricochets.
None of it matters to this idiot. He's still claiming bullets are hitting the pond and he still claims he can hear them going over his head--except that he doesn't actually know what they sound like. He says they buzz like bees, every time. I think he read a similar description in a detective novel or something.
The thing is, we can confound this guy for now, but as development continues all around, I can see it all going away. And although we own the land, we have some kind of long-term lease with the township that essentially means we stay as long as they let us. If they decide they'd rather have the tax revenue from some developer who doesn't want us around, I don't see what we can do. Fortunately, the club is in decent financial shape with a fair surplus. It's possible we could relocate further out somewhere.
They could put it a couple of miles outside my little town and have no development to worry about. We have enough on our hands to keep the businesses we have.
Now, this is a great club, and the first thing the officers did when they noticed construction up there (you can just see the roof over the berm from the highest point of the rifle line when the leaves are off the trees!
) was stop by and talk to the contractor, then to the owner, about the wisdom of building there. He wasn't interested in hearing about it. Until he had the house built, when he decided he had rights and started claiming he could hear bullets going over his house and splashing in his pond. This range does not allow firing while moving or drawing from holsters, specifically because they don't want a shot going over the berm. They've also paid a fortune to raise the rifle line and extend and raise the berms, and they don't allow metal or glass targets so as not to allow ricochets.
None of it matters to this idiot. He's still claiming bullets are hitting the pond and he still claims he can hear them going over his head--except that he doesn't actually know what they sound like. He says they buzz like bees, every time. I think he read a similar description in a detective novel or something.
The thing is, we can confound this guy for now, but as development continues all around, I can see it all going away. And although we own the land, we have some kind of long-term lease with the township that essentially means we stay as long as they let us. If they decide they'd rather have the tax revenue from some developer who doesn't want us around, I don't see what we can do. Fortunately, the club is in decent financial shape with a fair surplus. It's possible we could relocate further out somewhere.
They could put it a couple of miles outside my little town and have no development to worry about. We have enough on our hands to keep the businesses we have.
nico
Member
I agree. There should be more schools with gun ranges so that children can be better educated about firearms. The schools should be well insulated though. If I could hear gunshots from my school all day I'd never have paid attention because I'd have been thinking about shooting. Maybe if they didn't want a gun range next to their school they shouldn't have built a school next to a gun range.
jefnvk
Member
Ummm...
Judging from the Ireland thread, no.
Crosshair
Member
Can't argue with that Solo
Dan from MI
Member
Nothing irks me more than city folk who spawl out to the country and bring the city and its leftist ways out with them.
Go back to Charlotte/Ann Arbor
Go back to Charlotte/Ann Arbor
Henry Bowman
Senior Member
Here's the deal: The antis have discovered a new page to put into their standard playbook. This time it is based on logic, even if they don't understand that. The argument is that there is NO defense to projectiles leaving the range property -- and they are right. Their problem in virtually all cases is something that they have never perceived as a problem -- the facts. If you don't have any, make them up.
There is no good defense (such as we were here first) to projectiles leaving the property. It is almost always physically possible, even if it would require a shooter to violate all safety rules and fire to the side at an upward 45 degree angle. Possible, no matter how unlikely.
The play book reads: Claim to have heard things buzzing by overhead. That way you don't have to find physical evidence, such as bullets (as opposed to entire cartridges
) on your property or in the side of a building where nuns teach blind orphans. The range denies it, but can't prove a negative. Instead they have to spend more money than they have to make it physically impossible that a projectile will leave the property.
My range is doing just that, as well as requiring that a RSO be on site any time anyone shoots. The rifle range has been closed indefinately while a > million dollar project is planned to retro fit it. The plinking range is now limited to paper and clay targets (no fruit, water jugs, steel, or old electronic equipment that could cause a ricochet). The pistol range has all sorts on new rules (including the new RSO) and even the trap and skeet shooters (whose shot cannot possibly leave the property) must sign in and out.
This is the new game folks. We have to find a way to deal with it.
There is no good defense (such as we were here first) to projectiles leaving the property. It is almost always physically possible, even if it would require a shooter to violate all safety rules and fire to the side at an upward 45 degree angle. Possible, no matter how unlikely.
The play book reads: Claim to have heard things buzzing by overhead. That way you don't have to find physical evidence, such as bullets (as opposed to entire cartridges
) on your property or in the side of a building where nuns teach blind orphans. The range denies it, but can't prove a negative. Instead they have to spend more money than they have to make it physically impossible that a projectile will leave the property. My range is doing just that, as well as requiring that a RSO be on site any time anyone shoots. The rifle range has been closed indefinately while a > million dollar project is planned to retro fit it. The plinking range is now limited to paper and clay targets (no fruit, water jugs, steel, or old electronic equipment that could cause a ricochet). The pistol range has all sorts on new rules (including the new RSO) and even the trap and skeet shooters (whose shot cannot possibly leave the property) must sign in and out.
This is the new game folks. We have to find a way to deal with it.
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