Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Federal's new PD ammo

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by P95Carry, Oct 22, 2003.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2003
    Messages:
    16,341
    Location:
    South PA, and a bit West of center!
    Guess many of you may have already seen this ...... in the new ''Handguns'' mag perhaps. For those who haven't .. here's a look.

    Doesn't scan that well from a mag but, haven't over compressed the image too much so as to keep some text readable.

    I like the looks of this stuff ...... first test I remember seeing ....

    [​IMG]
     
  2. Jim March

    Jim March Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    8,732
    Location:
    SF Bay Area
    Ah. I see Federal is back to their old "oh, let's wimp out on the powder charge" tricks.

    :scrutiny:

    Dunno if Cor-Bon is shipping the Pow'R'Ball in 9mm yet. I know it's in development. The 45ACP is out; it's FAR faster, over 100fps with the same weight and the projectile design is better.

    Betcha anything the Cor-Bon will get more velocity in a 3.5" barrel than those "personal defense" rounds will get in a 5".
     
  3. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2003
    Messages:
    16,341
    Location:
    South PA, and a bit West of center!
    Jim .... I have been lookin out for the Pow'R'Ball .... as yet haven't found anyone stocking that.:(
     
  4. Firefighter

    Firefighter Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2003
    Messages:
    51
    Location:
    Alabama's Gulf Coast
    [Text removed]

    The original text here was directly copied in its entirety from "The Gun Zone" without permission or attribution. In the future, intellectual property should always be attributed to its source preferably with a link to that source. If the source states that their site content is not to be copied without permission, please do get the proper permission before copying it here or anywhere on THR.

    Mal H
    Moderator, Handgun forums
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 23, 2003
  5. Firefighter

    Firefighter Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2003
    Messages:
    51
    Location:
    Alabama's Gulf Coast
  6. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2003
    Messages:
    16,341
    Location:
    South PA, and a bit West of center!
    Well interesting Firefighter ........ damn! How to choose the ''definitive'' round?!!
     
  7. Tango Sierra

    Tango Sierra Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    125
    Location:
    Rural North Central Illinois
  8. mrapathy2000

    mrapathy2000 member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2003
    Messages:
    1,089
    Location:
    FrozenOver,Iowa
    I am not impressed with EFMJ rounds. corbon stuff is always bit on the hot side. btw you can buy corbon ammo from theyre website

    Cor-Bon
     
  9. lawcox

    lawcox Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2003
    Messages:
    18
    Location:
    Virginia
    I can't believe they're totally discontinuing the Hydra-shok for this. To stop production on a brand that has been a distinguishing sales point for Federal Ammo, it's a bad business move.

    Check out those bullet weights. 105gr. 9mm and 165 gr. .45?

    I won't be an early adopter on this one.
     
  10. sm

    sm member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2002
    Messages:
    28,389
    Location:
    Between black coffee, and shiftn' gears
    I have reservations about this whole new direction. Granted, I didn't use the HS like a lot of folks , I liked and still like the Federal Classic 9BP and 45D.
    I'm slow to change , I miss the "flying ashtrays", of yore .
     
  11. Tango Sierra

    Tango Sierra Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    125
    Location:
    Rural North Central Illinois
    I just noticed the weights in AmmoLab tests are for different weight rounds then in the opening post of this thread.
     
  12. BluesBear

    BluesBear member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2003
    Messages:
    7,672
    Location:
    The Great Pacific NorthWet
    The Federal Law Enforcement ammo has different bullet weights than their Personal Defense ammo.

    Both are available to the public.
     
  13. Moparmike

    Moparmike Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2003
    Messages:
    3,600
    Location:
    Oddly enough, a downwardly-plunging firey handbask
    Firefighter, that looks like some kick@$$ ammo. I could grow prize-winning potatoes in that wound cavity.:eek:
     
  14. BluesBear

    BluesBear member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2003
    Messages:
    7,672
    Location:
    The Great Pacific NorthWet
    I guess all y'all missed all of the other threads about this such as this one ?

    By the way;

    9mm Personal Defense load is 105gr @ 1290 fps
    9mm Law Enforcement load is 124gr @ 1173 fps

    .40 Law Enforcement load is 165 @ 1056

    .45 Personal Defense load is 165gr @ 1085 fps
    .45 Law Enforcement load is 200gr @ 1001 fps

    All fired from Glocks
     
  15. DontShootMe

    DontShootMe Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2003
    Messages:
    289
    Location:
    CA
    Hey P95Carry

    9MM POW'R'BALL IS HERE

    :cool:
     
  16. Firefighter

    Firefighter Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2003
    Messages:
    51
    Location:
    Alabama's Gulf Coast
    flying ashtrays are still available..look at Cor Bon's .45 ACP 200 grainer and tell me it isn't the flying ashtray of yore :D
     
  17. BluesBear

    BluesBear member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2003
    Messages:
    7,672
    Location:
    The Great Pacific NorthWet
    "Flying ashtrays" are still available from CCI.

    They're just loaded in the Blazer cases is the only difference.

    Catalogue number is #3568
     
  18. Dave T

    Dave T Member

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2003
    Messages:
    888
    Location:
    Mesa, AZ
    If I remember correctly the results of the FBI research after the Miami mess was a minimum of 12-14" of penetration. These two load show penetration in the 8-9" range. This sound seriously inadequate. Why is everybody so excited about this stuff???
     
  19. AK103K

    AK103K Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2002
    Messages:
    5,774
    The .45 200gr +P load is pretty warm. I fired 100 rounds the other day and my hand knew it after I was done. They are for sure hotter than 230gr Hydra Shoks. They have a similar profile to the Hydra Shok's but dont feed as well in unthroated guns, or at least mine. I had 2-3 FTF's per mag in my stock Series 70 Colt. The same gun will shoot the Hydra Shok's without trouble. They fed fine in my throated Commander and shot well. Ammoman has the 200gr +P load.

    www.ammoman.com
     
  20. CWL

    CWL Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2003
    Messages:
    6,505
    I don't get it, it looks like the only real difference is that Federal is packaging their EFMJs in 20-rd plastic boxes instead of their existing EFMJs in 50-rd paper boxes so to confuse/exite magic-bullet users? :confused:

    So this means that I've been using Impersonal Defense ammo all my life? -didn't know I had been soooo wrong!
     
  21. Graystar

    Graystar Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2002
    Messages:
    1,756
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
    You know, the shallow penetration could simply be a function of greater expansion. When you shoot a .45 EFMJ, you're not shooting a .45...you're really shooting (potentially) a .65-.75. You just can't expect to get the same penetration as other types of rounds.

    The question is...is this a bad thing?
     
  22. Tomac

    Tomac Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Messages:
    754
    Location:
    Caldwell, Idaho
    Their PD EFMJ is definitely not as hot as their "LE" offerings. Although expansion is similar total penetration is much less. Taken directly from the article in question:
    .45 LE 200gr +P (Vel= 1001) .45 PD 165gr (Vel= 1085)

    Bare Geletin: 14.5" 10.0"
    Hvy Clothing: 17" 10.0"
    Wall: 15" 10.5"
    Plywood: 16.5" 12"

    IMHO the PD loading was designed for civilian/urban use where overpenetration is a concern w/o giving up expansion. I'll stick to the 200gr+P for my own use...
    Tomac
     
  23. Kentucky Rifle

    Kentucky Rifle Member In Memoriam

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2002
    Messages:
    1,416
    Location:
    Louisville, Ky.
    PD EFMJ's come in .38 Special now? I'll call Tilford's and see if they have any. I'm willing to give it a try.

    KR
     
  24. BluesBear

    BluesBear member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2003
    Messages:
    7,672
    Location:
    The Great Pacific NorthWet
    Kentucky Rifle

    I see no listing for any .38spl EFMJ from Federal.
    They do make the Hydra-Shok in .38spl 110gr.
     
  25. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2003
    Messages:
    16,341
    Location:
    South PA, and a bit West of center!
    That was puzzling me too .. currently I have .38spl, 9mm and .45acp .......... all covered thru Hydra-Shoks ...
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page