Feds seek NRA's help on guns on planes

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By Jim Ritchie
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, July 28, 2004


Federal security officials are turning to the National Rifle Association to help curb gun violations at airports.
The U.S. Transportation Security Administration wants the NRA, the nation's biggest pro-gun group, to educate its 4 million members about federal gun laws at airports. The move is intended to counter a growing number of firearms violations at airports.

Both groups confirmed talks are under way, but disclosed few details.

"We're having informal talks with the NRA on how to get this message out," TSA spokeswoman Amy Von Walter said Tuesday.

"They've asked us to help inform our members about the proper procedures," said Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman.

Each side has its own motives for talking.

"We continue to see guns and ammunition at the (airport security) checkpoints," Von Walter said. "It's an ongoing problem."

The Fairfax, Va.-based NRA, which held its annual convention in Pittsburgh in April, wants airline employees to stop harassing gun owners who have legally packed their weapons in their checked bags.

Too often, Arulanandam said, gun owners are stopped by airline agents who say they are not permitted to travel with firearms.

"There's a lot of frustration among our members and gun owners," he said. "Airline employees are not always aware of the rules. We want hunters and gun owners to travel without hassle. It's a two-way street."

Federal law does not permit passengers to have guns in carry-on bags. Passengers may lock unloaded guns in hard-sided cases and pack the cases in checked luggage. Passengers must tell airline ticket agents about weapons.

On a daily basis, TSA screeners across the country stop up to four passengers who have guns in their carry-on bags, Von Walter said. Passengers also place loaded guns in their checked luggage or fail to put guns in locked cases.

TSA screeners nationwide continue to intercept over a half-million prohibited items each month.

At Pittsburgh International Airport, screeners found about 3,900 such items in the past month. They commonly are found in carry-on bags and include guns, scissors and tools.

Local TSA spokesman Craig Martelle could not specify how many guns were seized locally.

Passengers who break the rules can be fined or arrested. Incidents often are handled differently at each airport, depending on the circumstances.

Von Walter said the TSA could seek similar education arrangements with other groups in addition to the NRA, but she declined to identify them.

"We'd like to use every resource available to us," she said. "We're kind of looking at potential avenues."
 
I believe that's a lie.

Probably not. Note the phrasing: "up to four passengers." Picture this:

Monday: 1 stop
Tuesday: 1 stop
Wednesday: 0 stops
Thursday: 2 stops
Friday: 3 stops
Saturday: 0 stops
Sunday: 4 stops.

I made "up to" four stops that week. Or "as many as" four stops. It doesn't mean four every single day.
 
Lie?

You may be right - it's probably higher. With the number of passengers passing thru each day I am confident that quite a few violate the rules, probably through confusion, negligence or lack of knowledge, not criminal intent.

I think its a positive if the TSA wants to improve the system via education. Who better for them to partner up with? If it can keep legitimate travelers-with-guns from getting jammed up, rock on.
 
You may be right - it's probably higher. With the number of passengers passing thru each day I am confident that quite a few violate the rules, probably through confusion, negligence or lack of knowledge, not criminal intent.
How 'bout adding to the list people who violate the rules because TSA employees are ignorant of the rules and accuse travellers of breaking the rules when they are in fact clean???????
 
I think its a positive if the TSA wants to improve the system via education. Who better for them to partner up with? If it can keep legitimate travelers-with-guns from getting jammed up, rock on.

Stop being reasonable and positive Sendec, we are talking boaut the government, that deserves nothing more that our scorn and disdain..after all any person should be able to strap on an M60, grab a bag of weed, and jump on an airplane without being unlawfully even asked what their name is..

Slogans, What part of shall not be infringed dont you understand, natural rights etc ad nauseum

WildgetthisthreadbackontrackAlaska
 
wildalaska

What exactly would be the problem with bring an M60 or a bag of weed on the airplane? What is the inherent danger or the infringement upon the rights of another?
 
What the heck does the TSA expect? They publish one set of information guidelines on their web site, they publish the actual regulations elsewhere, and I believe the rules don't quite coincide with the regs ... and then they have supervisors who claim that there's another set of rules that are top secret and can't be shown to the people who supposedly violated them. And oh by the way, if they can't catch you on a real rule, the individual screeners have unlimited discretion to rule anything they want as dangerous.

Why should any traveler find that confusing? What's the problem, travelers, just get with the program.
 
I believe that's a lie.
I'm sure its true. Don't make the mistake of thinking the intellgence of the THR crowd is representative of gunowners in general. There are a LOT of stupid people out there and unfortunately some of them own guns.
 
Easy; suggest they stop meddling in an area outside of Federal power and mandates, and let the airlines and their pilots decide who and how weapons will be carried on their aircraft.
 
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