Female Bonding, Punctuated by Gunfire

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Here's an article from today's NY times regarding a woman's shooting club...

By the way, the founder of the club is the granddaughter of Col Jeff Cooper...

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Female Bonding, Punctuated by Gunfire
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March 8, 2004
By ALAN FEUER

In New York City, it is a rule of thumb among the legal community that the First Amendment comes first, and the Second Amendment comes last.

New York is not a gun town. With some of the toughest gun laws in the country, it can take upward of 18 months to get a license for your longarm, even if the most you care to do is head upstate for a weekend turkey shoot.

There is, though, a small but enthusiastic shooting culture in the city, and one place to find its members is at meetings of the Women's Shooting Sports League, which gathers the first Monday of each month in Chelsea for a night of rifle fire and female bonding.

"When people think of gun owners, they think of butt-scratching bubbas with no teeth," said Amy Heath, the league's founder. "Women in the heartland shoot well, so why not women in New York?"

It may be that no breed of humanity is less friendly to the firearm than the female Manhattanite, and yet the league, which began last year with only five members, has expanded this year to a core of 15 to 20 regulars, Ms. Heath said.

They meet at the Westside Rifle and Pistol Range on West 20th Street, where they learn the rudiments of firearm safety from instructors and spend an hour or so cooking off a few hundred rounds of ammunition on the line.

To Ms. Heath, who is 33 and went into making television documentaries after giving up an acting career, the league is the culmination of a childhood spent among guns.

She was born in San Diego, moved to Plano, Tex., and spent her adolescence in Rochester, Mich., 40 minutes north of Detroit - a gun-friendly community, she said.

"There's this fear, this incessant fear, that guns are bad," she said. "Women think they'll shoot themselves in the foot, or shoot someone else. I want to work against that fear."

She comes from the appropriate stock. Her grandfather, Jeff Cooper (U.S.M.C., retired), sits on the board of the National Rifle Association and is widely considered the father of modern pistol technique. Mr. Cooper also writes "Jeff Cooper's Commentaries," a regular Internet newsletter where one can find his blunt, plainspoken musings on the world, which recently included this:

"Bear in mind that it is more blessed to give than to receive. I know a certain amount about naval gunfire, and I am certainly impressed with the truth of that proposition.''

If it is tricky to imagine some Manhattan publicist in miniskirt and leather boots taking target practice with a Ruger .22, consider what Ms. Heath's relations in Michigan think about her current home.

"They think I'm crazy," she explained with a self-effacing laugh. "People always say, 'Jeff Cooper's daughter lives in New York?' "

There is much to learn from the league about the failure of assumptions. While one might assume, for instance, that the city's reputation for tolerance extends to all manner of behavior, it apparently does not extend to a love of guns.

"It's tough to be a shooter down here," said Peter Crowell, a 60-year-old management consultant and a volunteer instructor for the league. "New York is, of course, primarily a liberal Democratic kind of place, and over years I've had to hide my interest.

"If you've never taken delivery of a hundred rounds of small-arms ammunition at your apartment," he went on coyly with a smile, "I can tell you, it's a treat."

At the same time, it would be wrong to assume that the members of the league are all of the Republican persuasion or even interested in their Second Amendment right to bear arms.

"I consider myself the opposite of people in rooms like this," said Julia Cohen, a constitutional lawyer who recently joined the league. "I'm a Democrat. I'm a liberal. And I believe that guns are dangerous in the wrong hands."

Ms. Cohen said she considered shooting a precision art form, much like darts, and found her time with the Ruger an "almost Zen sort of thing." Although she said that politics were far from her mind when she joined, she discovered that the task of getting licensed was much more difficult than she had thought.

While filling out her license application at police headquarters, she was surprised to find that the authorities wished to know if she had ever seen a psychiatrist or taken narcotics. She said the process was more intrusive than her application to the state bar association.

"They asked all these probing personal questions that didn't necessarily prove that I, as a thinking person, could or couldn't handle a gun," she said.

Generally speaking, Ms. Heath goes light on the activism at the meetings, leaving politics to the politicos. This may be why Patrick Brophy, director of political activities for the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association, was standing around at the meeting last month dressed in a rep tie and expensive-looking suit.

Mr. Brophy is not that busy, given that his political action committee did not support a single state official from any New York City district last year, which leaves him time to plug the merits of shooting at league meetings, at least when reporters are around.

"People who perhaps have never had the opportunity to enjoy the shooting sports should have that opportunity," he said, quickly adding, "without any preconceived notions."

Notions are one thing; politics is another. It seemed as if the women of the shooting league had simpler things in mind.

"Oh, yeah, I had a great time," one young woman said coming off the line. "I shot some balloons."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/08/nyregion/08guns.html?ex=1079766111&ei=1&en=4d7d7d5439928805
 
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If you've never taken delivery of 100 rounds of small arms ammunition in N.Y., it's quite a treat

These poor ba**ards have to move upstate :rolleyes:

My family spent a week in NYC for the 1964 World's Fair...I've never been back.
 
In New York City, it is a rule of thumb among the legal
community that the First Amendment comes first, and the
Second Amendment comes last.

That's nice to know.

"When people think of gun owners, they think of
butt-scratching bubbas with no teeth," said Amy Heath, the
league's founder.

What a coincidence! When I think of women, I think how a woman's place is in the kitchen cooking for her husband and children!

What business do women have writing for newspapers, anyway? :scrutiny:
 
Sorry guys, but you're simply shooting the messenger.

Unfortunately many people do seem to think that gun owners are all a bunch of inbred hilljacks.

You'll note that the context of the quote was one of breaking stereotypes, not reinforcing them.
 
"Oh, yeah, I had a great time," one young woman said coming off the line. "I shot some balloons."

This is a happy story. :) Every little step in the right direction can only help.

"If you've never taken delivery of a hundred rounds of small-arms ammunition at your apartment," he went on coyly with a smile, "I can tell you, it's a treat."

Heck, it's a start. ;) I know some of you will just laugh, but my biggest so far is 3420 centerfire rifle rounds :D . Surplus ammo is proof that God loves gunowners ;) .
 
"When people think of gun owners, they think of butt-scratching bubbas with no teeth,

What, hit a little close to home guys? Sorry, but it's true, this is the prevailant stereotype. She's right (and campaigning to stop it, not spread it.) It's rampant out there. We're also seen as some sort of horribly violent social misfits if you haven't seen the news lately.

Heck, "Gun Owner" should practically be included in Forced Reverse-Discrimination (oops, I mean 'Affirmative Action') laws these days. I'm sure it's cost many people their jobs.



My hat's off to Amy, seems like she's making a real difference.

Though give her some credit, I'd bet she shoots a .44MAG better than 90% of us.

If it is tricky to imagine some Manhattan publicist in miniskirt and leather boots taking target practice with a Ruger .22, consider what Ms. Heath's relations in Michigan think about her current home.
 
"I'm a Democrat. I'm a liberal. And I believe that guns are dangerous in the wrong hands."

Hey Miss New York Liberal -- this may suprise you, but I doubt that you would get an argument out of anyone here about that.

The tricky part is in defining what are "the wrong hands".
 
Another event to add to my list of day trips I want to take.

"When people think of gun owners, they think of butt-scratching bubbas with no teeth,"

Umm nope I prolly look more like her, but it is the stereotype.

What a coincidence! When I think of women, I think how a woman's place is in the kitchen cooking for her husband and children!

Hey I resemble that remark!!!:rolleyes: :D ;) Besides you forgot the cleaning part. I know it's the stereotype, but hey you aren't the same as the stereotype are you? I would love to be a stay at home mom/wife, but can't since I'm neither yet.

So what am I to do till that happens? And after that fall over and drop all the cool things I used to do? Sorry I'm gonna be a cool mom and still have a life outside the home while runing a loving, safe home. Mom's can be journalists and still be at home most of the time. A lot can be done while the kids are napping.;) Learned that while babysitting. :D
 
Hey Gus Dddysgrl;

just so we are perfectly clear, I want to emphasise that my remark was entirely, 100% sarcastic.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for housewives and women who make the time in their lives to raise their children properly.

I was fortunate enough to have my mother do this, so I understand the importance of it.

Call me old fashioned.... :)
 
what's up with a womans shooting club? If I belonged to a mens shooting club or white shooting club would that be construed as sexist or racist? Double standards piss me off!!:fire:
 
:) Thanks DrJones. I wasn't really offended. I know you're cool and have no beef with ya. I just thought it was funny cause thats my goal in life is to raise my kids right (when I do eventually have them in like 5 years).
Besides old-fashioned is good.

AUadvisor-I wouldn't mind if you had a males only gun club. I don't care. I think the difference is that the typical guy is into guns. It's normal and you feel comfortable in a gun club. However many women do not feel comfortable in that same club since they don't know as much or have less experience. The womens club provides a safer place (for women's "emotions and feelings") that they can better learn in. I know some women feel that they are being looked at in an uncomfortable way when being at the range. In the all womens club they don't feel that. I'm not saying all women do, but for the newer shooters it's more comfortable for them. I know I'd prefer to shoot a gun alone so I know how it feels before I shoot it with other people around.
I know how you feel. I go to a liberal school and really would love to start a white student union (since they have a black student union). It would just piss people off. I personally am not racist, but it bothers me that they have a club that I can't join cause I'm the "racist" one. Oh well. Life goes on.
 
"When people think of gun owners, they think of butt-scratching bubbas with no teeth,"

That ain't right. I got some teeth. :)

Good to hear there are some legal shooters in NYC.

Regards.
 
Gus, in the kitchen cooking and cleaning? I can see you cooking up target loads and cleaning that Ruger ;)

Hilljack? I know one in Indiana...in fact he's a THR member.... :neener:
 
"If you've never taken delivery of 100 rounds of small arms ammunition..."
What? Only 100rds?? You should see my gunsmith and I dragging the 4,000 bullets into my apartment every few weeks..... :D
 
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