Forgive me for my ignorance (Ive only been shooting for 2 years), but I have a few questions about FFL transfers and buying guns online....The only stores in my area that sell firearms are a small shop (with no inventory) and a Gander Mountain. As most of you know, buying a firearm at gander can be frustrating because generally their prices are very very high (for example i want a ruger p90 and right now they are selling them for $589!! yeah $589!!). So of course I look online and find the gun that I want for $200-$250 cheaper than I can get it locally and inquire about doing a transfer. They tell me "absolutely not, under no circumstances do we EVER do transfers". The local shop says the same thing, and the one local shop that recently went out of business definately useto do transfers but they are gone now. My question is... why do you have to be a dealer to be able to buy guns onlineL? Are there collector FFL's that a non dealer could aquire after paying for them and jumping through various hoops. I mean, I have a completely clean record, a gun permit, and money. Why should I not be able to buy a gun from an online dealer? They could identify me upon delivery and do a background check before the purchase. I just dont understand this.
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FFL transfers and buying online
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clutch
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Things were much better before GCA68.
Try this link at auction arms to find someone near you that will do a transfer.
http://www.auctionarms.com/help/fflnetwork.cfm
Clutch
Try this link at auction arms to find someone near you that will do a transfer.
http://www.auctionarms.com/help/fflnetwork.cfm
Clutch
hirundo82
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The only collector FFL is the FFL-03, Collector of Curios and Relics. It allows you to buy and have shipped to your home any gun over 50 years old or that is determined by the ATF to be particularly collectible, but it does not enable you to receive recently manufactured firearms.
Check around on the internet for an FFL; Gunbroker has a good listing. There are still many that work out of their home, although not as many as there used to be. Also check pawnshops; any pawnshop that sells guns has an FFL and will usually be happy to get the transfer fee.
Check around on the internet for an FFL; Gunbroker has a good listing. There are still many that work out of their home, although not as many as there used to be. Also check pawnshops; any pawnshop that sells guns has an FFL and will usually be happy to get the transfer fee.
sansone
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gunbroker.com & auctionarms.com provide a fast FFL search for transfer dealers
cracked junior
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I would check online for local ffl holders as mentioned above, gunbroker.com has a listing by zipcode. budsgunshop.com does as well.
some business's will have a ffl even if they don't sell guns. in my area there is a hvac repair that has one. as do a few private individuals.
some business's will have a ffl even if they don't sell guns. in my area there is a hvac repair that has one. as do a few private individuals.
NavyLCDR
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Pawn shops. Ace Hardware in my town.
Bubbles
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Not all FFL's register with gunbroker, auction arms, etc. The ATF has the complete list of all valid FFL's and their contact info online http://www.atf.gov/about/foia/ffl-list.html. Select the most recent XL spreadsheet for your state, and sort/search by your local zip codes.
mgkdrgn
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"why do you have to be a dealer to be able to buy guns online"
You don't ... you can -buy- all the guns you want on-line. But, they must be shipped to an FFL to complete the necessary paperwork for your state/local requirements. That, by law, must be a face to face encounter to verify ID.
If there ARE NO FFL's in your area that will do transfers, sounds like it might be a good business to get in to.
You don't ... you can -buy- all the guns you want on-line. But, they must be shipped to an FFL to complete the necessary paperwork for your state/local requirements. That, by law, must be a face to face encounter to verify ID.
If there ARE NO FFL's in your area that will do transfers, sounds like it might be a good business to get in to.
This and the ATF link provided. We have a lawyer not too far from here that has an FFL. There are gun nuts around the country with FFL's who aren't in the firearms selling business.Things were much better before GCA68.
Try this link at auction arms to find someone near you that will do a transfer.
http://www.auctionarms.com/help/fflnetwork.cfm
Clutch
nalioth
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I'm not sure why we keep throwing out absolutes here."why do you have to be a dealer to be able to buy guns online"
You don't ... you can -buy- all the guns you want on-line. But, they must be shipped to an FFL to complete the necessary paperwork for your state/local requirements. That, by law, must be a face to face encounter to verify ID.
If there ARE NO FFL's in your area that will do transfers, sounds like it might be a good business to get in to.
A similar thread is going on now that covers parts some of you have left out: Buying online and in state - THR
Cliff's notes: Under certain circumstances, a transfer dealer is not legally required (see the other thread).
Bily Lovec
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Just curious, where is the OP located at ?
mgkdrgn
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Because the OP said he was going to by from a DEALER. By DEALER I assume he means a legal DEALER, ie, an FFL.I'm not sure why we keep throwing out absolutes here.
NO FFL, is going to sell a firearm to an individual unless:
1) THEY do a 4473
2) They ship to another FFL that will be doing the 4473
In state/out of state don't even enter into it.
That is an absolute.
Are there collector FFL's that a non dealer could aquire after paying for them and jumping through various hoops.
You asked about a "collector" FFL, and I think that sidetracked some people giving answers. Based on the question and intent of the original post, the answer is "yes, you can get a FFL, by paying some fees and doing some paperwork".
Many people get and hold an FFL simply for personal purchases and to do transfers for friends. I haven't really looked in a while, but for a few hundred dollars you can do what you want. You have to decide if the record keeping and any potential hassles are worth the money you will save in transfer fees. If you really can't find someone locally to do transfers for $15-$25, then you don't have much choice.
oneounceload
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They could identify me upon delivery and do a background check before the purchase. I just dont understand this.
WHO would be doing the check? The UPS driver?
Find a pawn shop if nothing else - there are lots of sources to find a FFL in your area
BTW, Gander where I live will do transfers - for $75.00...........my local guy will do them for $25................
mgkdrgn
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Many people get and hold an FFL simply for personal purchases and to do transfers for friends. I haven't really looked in a while, but for a few hundred dollars you can do what you want.
Sorry, but to get an FFL, the BATFE expects you to be "in the business" of selling/transferring firearms. That means business licensees, sales tax collection licensees, being zone as a business location, yadda yadda yadda. Gone are the days when you can get a 01 FFL for yourself just to get stuff a few dollars cheaper.
And in SC if you are going to do -anything- with handguns, that is a whole 'nuther licensing thing, inspection, and a $10K bond with the SC State Police.
Oh ya, and then there is the keeping the records for 20 years, and the fines/jail time if you screw up your paperwork just ' _ ' that much.
None of the licenses that you describe cost much if anything, and many people do still hold FFLs for basically personal use.Sorry, but to get an FFL, the BATFE expects you to be "in the business" of selling/transferring firearms. That means business licensees, sales tax collection licensees, being zone as a business location, yadda yadda yadda. Gone are the days when you can get a 01 FFL for yourself just to get stuff a few dollars cheaper.
And in SC if you are going to do -anything- with handguns, that is a whole 'nuther licensing thing, inspection, and a $10K bond with the SC State Police.
Oh ya, and then there is the keeping the records for 20 years, and the fines/jail time if you screw up your paperwork just ' _ ' that much.
Again, for a few hundred bucks, the OP can do what he desires. Again, he has to decide if the record keeping and any other hassle is worth it.
Trad Archer
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Gander Mountain is a joke. Everything is overpriced and inventory thin.
Wow...Unless the original poster lives in a police state this is pretty much just a matter of confusion on his part.
I have bought many firearms online,arranged with a FFL to receive it after paying the seller the price of the gun and shipping fee and the FFL sends,faxes,or scans an e-mail of his FFL to the other FFL and that's it.
The gun arrives,you fill out the necessary paperwork,the FFL does the NICS check,you pay him his fee and leave with your legally purchased gun.
There's no major drama here at all.
My FFL charges me $15.00 for a transfer fee.
I have bought many firearms online,arranged with a FFL to receive it after paying the seller the price of the gun and shipping fee and the FFL sends,faxes,or scans an e-mail of his FFL to the other FFL and that's it.
The gun arrives,you fill out the necessary paperwork,the FFL does the NICS check,you pay him his fee and leave with your legally purchased gun.
There's no major drama here at all.
My FFL charges me $15.00 for a transfer fee.
staggerlee213
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Things were much better before GCA68.
The good ole days of buying guns online in 1965. Such sweet times they were!
Bubbles
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Mail-ordered out of a catalog, delivered direct to your door...The good ole days of buying guns online in 1965. Such sweet times they were!
mgkdrgn
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Just like J. Harvey Oswald did
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